Mass shooting at Century 16 in Aurora

[Fentonite]

Here's my view. It may not be very popular. I'm nobody's hero, except to me and mine. If I'm there with my wife, girlfriend, kids, whatever- my loved ones-
then I -ONLY- care about them. That is my circle, and that is what I will defend and/or protect. Everybody else is a victim. I'm getting me and mine the hell onto the ground and/or out of there. If I can get my hand on a pistol, and the attacker enters my field of vision, then he's going to get the whole mag. Otherwise....... we'll be gone before you know it- or moving in the opposite direction of the crowd.

I think I agree. If I'm there with family, they are my only priority. If I'm there alone, I'd like to think I'd step up to help others, if I could.

[sneakerd]

I'm just not real high on all the would-be heros all around. I don't think it's that simple.

[jake]

I can't imagine why your view would be unpopular at all. We go to the AMC in Westminster most of the time and we like to sit at the very back when we can. In that case, my wife would be pushed ahead of me out of the rear doors and out of the building.

If we'd been forced by crowds to sit closer to the front and I thought for a second there was any danger of her being a specific target I would engage the shooter if I could. But if there was any realistic possibility of us being out of the door then she's got my hand on her back and we're gone.

[Great-Kazoo]

This reminds me of the CCW guy who choose not to engage the shooter at denny's? killing the NG folks. He was 65 yards from the target and the members here took a dick measuring, I'd engage from across the lot etc. That scenario was clear day and 65 yards away. We (CSTONE got it rolling) did a 65 yard shoot and the amount of hits on a non moving, shooting back target, was dismal.

This is a dark area with folks running, screaming, multiple shots fired, smoke etc. I would like if possible to recreate this scenario and see how effective everyone is.

Yes i agree family first, seek exit as quickly as possible. Engaging the target with all that shit going on, not feeling it, UNLESS i had no other choice.
That's just me, i've seen and know how fast things can go south within seconds.

[whitbaby]

I think I agree. If I'm there with family, they are my only priority. If I'm there alone, I'd like to think I'd step up to help others, if I could.

My biggest concerns would be innocents behind him and any unknown accomplices lurking about.

[T-Giv]

I was speaking with a SWAT member who told me that in the theater there were tons of nearly full magazines. Fortunately the piece of shit didn't know how to recover from a malfunction so when he would jam he just dropped the magazine and put in another one. He was planning to do a lot more shooting than he did. Possibly that's why he gave up so easily?

[TFOGGER]

My biggest concerns would be innocents behind him and any unknown accomplices lurking about.

From an email I received from Graham Dunne, firearms instructor and Aurora PD officer:

We truely appreciate all the e-mails of support. We are under a court order not to discuss our actions at the cinema and at his apartment. I have answered alot of "what if" questions, I can give you some food for thought:

-If the only target you have is muzzle flash, that's a great target indicator. Behind muzzle flash is the chest, face, hands, and the firearm.

-Ballistic vests are only rated for two impacts per area. With good hollow points the 3rd, 4th, 5th etc.. rounds are going through. I would rather hammer the upper chest than try to adjust for the head, a smaller target. Every officer I have talked to who has ever been shot wearing a vest said the same thing, "it's like getting hit with a baseball bat."

-If you study mass violence scenarios, 99% of these cowards committing these atrocities will run when they encounter any resistance. In other words if rounds are coming their way, even if they're not hit, they usually run, often times commiting suicide.

-By the nature of cinema seating, (on a grade), you have a much better chance of not hitting innocents when engaging bad guys.

-It is true concealed weapons were not permitted at the cinema. So it is possible you could be charged with misdemeanors, such as carrying concealed and lose your permit. I believe this is a worthy trade to save lives. In other words you can pay your fine then go accept your award from the President at the White House.

-Training is very important.

“We don't rise to the level of our expectations; we fall to the level of our training”

Archilochus, Greek Soldier 650 BC

-The alternative not to engage is to die.

[Whistler]

From an email I received from Graham Dunne, firearms instructor and Aurora PD officer:

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Facts are so much nicer than conjecture.

[islandermyk]

I have a handful of friends that send me all kinds of stuff about this shooting. Conspiracy theories of things being covered up, radio recordings, etc...
The link I'm adding here is only recorded radio communications. Just thought I'd share... All I can say is... it's really heart breaking...

Also, I can say that the lady dispatcher f*cken kept her cool and did a outstanding job...




I didn't add no conspiracy stuff or any of my worthless opinions... if your looking for it.. I don't think you'll have any troubles finding it...

[SouthPaw]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...h-penalty.html

One of the victims shows her wounds. Doesn't look like buckshot to me?