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    Default We got screwed again, this just post by RMGO.COM

    With Sen. Bob Hagedorn and Gail Schwartz joining the majority of the
    Democrat's anti-gun caucus, the Senate passed HB1174,
    which continues the practice of allowing Sheriffs to put concealed
    carry permit holders in a statewide criminal database.
    Dem Sens. Isgar and Tochtrop voted with Senate Republicans to kill the
    bill.

    Last week, an amendment passed that sunsetted this database in four
    years, as opposed to making it permanent. That means
    the Sheriffs Association must re-pass it four years from now.

    Since it had an amendment in the Senate, the bill is not yet on the way
    to the Governor's desk (as reported by CSSA).
    Instead, the House must re-adopt the Senate version or the bill must go
    to a conference committee. Either way, there is
    little hope of killing this bill.

    CSSA got another thing wrong, and it's DESPERATELY wrong: they
    inaccurately claimed that two Senators switched sides from
    their "usual pro-gun stance" to vote for the bill.

    Sen. Bob Hagedorn and Gail Schwartz both did, indeed, vote for this gun
    control bill, but neither have a solid record of
    being pro-gun. This is Schwartz's first legislative session, and has
    only cast one vote (a standing, non-recorded vote on
    HB1174) which could be considered "pro-gun". Every other indication is
    that she will vote with Denver liberals when it
    comes to our constitutional rights.

    Hagedorn, on the other hand, has many years of legislative experience.
    And most of his votes are bad -- he votes pro-gun
    on a few easy votes (we call those "softballs"), but on the tough votes
    he always sides with the rabid anti-gunners. Our
    legislative scorecard for him is extremely poor, despite the NRA
    hailing him as a hero (we scanned a page from the 1998
    election issue of the American Rifleman that praises Hagedorn as a
    great vote, which can be viewed in the online version of
    this e-mail at http://www.rmgo.org/alerts/2007-hb1174senate.shtml ).

    It's what we call "Credentialing our Enemies".

    Make no mistake about it: this is a major problem. Calling a
    weak-willed politician "pro-gun" gives him/her a virtual
    license to vote against gun owners, especially when the politician is a
    Democrat who doesn't want to be known as a
    conservative.

    As the saying goes, it took Nixon to go to China. (i.e. only someone
    perceived to be tough on communism could meet with
    the Chinese and survive it politically)

    Anyone remember Sen. Dottie Wham of Denver? She was the Republican who
    was the main roadblock to passing a concealed carry
    law a decade ago. As chairwoman of the Senate Judiciary, Wham had
    enormous power, power that was given to her by a long
    line of spineless Republicans like Ted Strickland, Tom Norton and Ray
    Powers (all NRA endorsed pols).

    Wham had the NRA's highest rating, and even their endorsement, though
    everyone knew she was a disaster on the gun issue
    (again, you can see that rating at
    http://www.rmgo.org/alerts/2007-hb1174senate.shtml )

    Praise and high ratings for anti-gunners?

    Why would a pro-gun organization do this? Why label a weak politician
    "pro-gun" when you know there are likely to vote
    against you, either now or in the future?

    They -- the NRA and their state affiliates -- think that saying nice
    things about politicians makes them more likely to
    vote with you. But look at this year's example: after Republican Sens.
    Kester and Taylor voted against gun owners in a
    surprise turnabout on SB34, the NRA and RMGO attacked these Senators
    with a vengence. At their very next chance, both of
    these Senators scrambled to get back in the good graces of gun owners.
    I give the NRA (largely due to a new NRA-ILA
    lobbyist in Colorado) high marks for putting the heat on Kester and
    Taylor. Now, let's (we're being kind here, as we've
    never trusted them) not be dumb enough to trust them again.

    This "Credentialing" is even worse when Republicans are in charge. The
    attempt is to get votes with the carrot, but an
    elementary level observance of the public policy process shows the
    stick to be much, much more effective.

    Credentialing is taken to new heights of stupidity when "gun lobbies"
    have suspect politicians carry their legislation.
    You've put a politician who has made a living out of being a swing vote
    on your issue in the position of driving your
    legislation. Nothing could be more suicidal.

    Don't think that happens? Remember: HB1174's main sponsor is GOP State
    Rep. Al White, who was the NRA's concealed carry
    law sponsor in 2003.

    Then there's the practice of thanking politicians after they vote
    pro-gun, which is just as inane. After all, you don't
    thank your neighbor each week after he refrains from raping your
    family, and you shouldn't thank a politician for not
    raping your constitutional rights.

    The only thing a politician fears is being defeated in the next
    election. Remove that fear -- by talking nice about them
    -- and their vote is subject to the whims of the media, some
    loudmouthed anti-gun constituents, or any other wind that
    blows.

    The only elected officials who should be praised or thanked should be
    the rock-ribbed type who don't need lobbying, and who
    take courageous steps to advance or defend our rights. There are very
    few of these, and we're careful to point them out
    when they appear.

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    Friends, this has NOT been a good session. The database bill appears
    to be heading to the Governor's desk, where it may
    sit alongside the bill that monkeys with Colorado's reciprocity law,
    SB34. We are still facing a bill that taxes a
    constitutional right (SB109, which assesses a fee for a Brady
    Registration check), which could be heard by the Senate late
    this week or next. We'll keep you abreast.

    Dudley Brown
    Executive Director

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    Mobile Phone 970-380-3006

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    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

    The tree of freedom grows the strongest when its watered with the blood of tyrants.

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    we got screwed when the reps decided to support a useless moron who had no chance of winning the gov's seat.
    it's all down hill from here.
    IF gun owners spent 1/2 as much time calling/writing vs e-m'ing the representatives as they did trying to find .223 for less then $250 per 1K we might actully stand a chance

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    You ain't seen nothin yet. :evil:

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    If you do nothing, nothing will get done.

    M2MG
    What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

    The tree of freedom grows the strongest when its watered with the blood of tyrants.

    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

    Remember: gold is the currency of nations, silver is the currency of gentelmen, barter is the currency of peseants, debt is the currency of slaves, fiat ( the dollar with no gold backing ) is the currency of "Thieves".

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    Quote Originally Posted by M2MG
    If you do nothing, nothing will get done.

    M2MG
    and how many gun owners felt there was nothing wrong with background checks at gunshows ?? until we convince gun owners like zumbo, a gun is a gun, is a gun ,we are our own worst enemy.
    i've been involved in supporting gun rights for over 3 decades so don't preach to me. i don't need to be convinced.

    stop spending time trying to convince reps like degette and gordon how we feel. focus on fence sitters .the undecided vote will make the difference.
    the crime bill was tied . until gore cast the deciding vote, it was dedlocked. fence sitters, true southern democrats, and the rhinos are where we need to focus our efforts. there are millions of blogs, web sites, and chat rooms. forget about telling us. go to the enemys comfort zone and get them thinking. there are actually some (not many) who still have reasoning.

    thats where GOA and the NRA should be working. instead of mailing me the same we need your help every week, mailers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim
    thats where GOA and the NRA should be working. instead of mailing me the same we need your help every week, mailers.
    What makes you think that these two things are mutually exclusive? The NRA is working for us...and that requires funding. They have the focus to make sure the politicians are paying attention which I don't have a lot of time for. In exchange, I try to financially give what I can to help them advance my interests. Our individual efforts are good, but a large bloc of people with a common cause can't be ignored by the politicians.
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