SHTF/Camping Perimeter security?

[Badger]

Seems there's always some genius "Google warrior" in every group. Remember kids, its all fun and games until someone searches only ONE source of information and ruins it for everyone else based on a single point of limited content.


Look up a little research on "explosion" and tell us again how this is illegal. Inquiring minds want to know.....




Badger

[Great-Kazoo]

Seems there's always some genius "Google warrior" in every group. Remember kids, its all fun and games until someone searches only ONE source of information and ruins it for everyone else based on a single point of limited content.


Look up a little research on "explosion" and tell us again how this is illegal. Inquiring minds want to know.....




Badger

Booby traps are illegal. Doesn't matter what the composition it's illegal. the research is not random It's CO law. Some years back a DFD rookie? was killed while responding to a fire in the warehouse district of downtown. Owner had the door booby trapped as a deterrent from the break in's he had been dealing with. Do your homework before critiquing someone else.

The quickest and simplest perimeter alarm is a few empty cans with some pebbles of other hard material in them. String the cans out about 4-5" off the ground in the brush. If you are camping in an area you feel the need to have a perimeter alarm, you're in the wrong area.

[Badger]

Yes, you'd be absolutely correct a booby trap is illegal. But here's the part where I simply ask you keep cranium external to colon and think about the facts:

1. A booby trap is any device requiring activation of some sort with the intent of causing harm or possibly even death to whomever activates it.

2. A perimeter alarm is a device intended as an early warning to those within an area. Not intended to cause harm.... hence the reason I wanted our resident Google warrior up there to investigate a little more.

3. If you'll notice the OP's title it includes the term S.H.T.F...... in such a scenario camping anywhere could be potentially hazardous and such methods of area detection could be beneficial.

The device in question uses blanks, not intended to cause harm and upon closer inspection are of a similar design used by our military for MANY years in a variety of applications with a variety of expected outcomes both passive and aggressive to the one who activated it.

So illegal? In its present form, NO. Can it be modified to do harm? Sure, but then again so can most anything with the right ounces of knowledge and ingenuity.


Badger

[cstone]

The cited Colorado statute has nothing to do with causing harm. Without having graduated from any law school or being admitted to practice law, this is how I was trained to read a statute:

(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if:

(c) He knowingly sets a ... device designed to cause an explosion upon being tripped or approached, and leaves it unattended by a competent person immediately present...

Last time I checked, even a primer in an empty shell, when struck, explodes, albeit a small explosion.

Bells, whistles, other audible alarms, as well as visible lights like chem lights would probably be permissible. 12 gauge alarms, probably get you a trip to the bench to pay a fine and have your prints on file.

Be safe.

[tmckay2]

In a shtf scenario the laws don't matter. Without being in a shtf scenario don't even mess with it. The law can be stretched to fit all sorts of things.

[SuperiorDG]

Just as effective and legal.



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[rocktot]

They make $20.00 motion sensors/battery operated, on ebay.

[jerrymrc]

More thoughts. Many want to play what is legal or not but being an S&P forum sometimes the rules go out the window.

In this world nobody in there right mind would ever advocate breaking the law. Sometimes one must set aside this and wonder. If there was no "Law" what do I do?

So things to think about. Some items require no power and are purely mechanical devices. Some require batteries and assume that everything that was is still here.

I kind of take the middle of the road approach. Certain basics will always be there in my case. I am an old guy and love the simplicity of mechanical things but understand that some electronics must be available.

In this case I am in favor of watches and the 2"X4"/rat trap.

[rbeau30]

Thank you Omicron for getting this back on track. I do have the 18-20 motion sensor thing, Basically it is an IR sensor you put in your yard on a fence or tree, and when the IR sensor (which looks like much home alarm motion sensors you would have in your hallways) is tripped a Chime much like a doorbell sounds in another unit that I typically keep on my nightstand.

I have one in my back yard since my house is backed up to a geenbelt and it is the only one without a 6 foot wooden fence. Works good, range is nice, but batteries are annoying. Have to constantly check if the batteries are dead.

The mouse trap thing is awesome but there are legal rammifications to setting a booby trap I guess. In SHTF situation anything goes. I will probably look into that. I would prefer the intruder realize instantly that they are where they are not welcome and whatever they tripped to be loud enough to notify me.

I was just thinking that a 12 guage blank going off in my back yard would be enough... but being illegal and in the People's Republic of Aurora, probably not wise.

[275RLTW]

Seems there's always some genius "Google warrior" in every group. Remember kids, its all fun and games until someone searches only ONE source of information and ruins it for everyone else based on a single point of limited content.


Look up a little research on "explosion" and tell us again how this is illegal. Inquiring minds want to know.....




Badger

I ran a UXO training school and I'm an explosives instructor for Le/.mil What do you want to know about explosions? Perhaps you should do some reaserch before running your mouth.