anti gun defense tips and suggestions

[Chad4000]

I think that the greater point is that the argument is rediculous.

anybody taking the anti gun position literally doesnt know what they are talking about. there is not one shread of evidence out there to support the claim that gun control works. the idea of gun control is only a pawn in political power.

to convince somebody that they aren't thinking straight on this, takes a long time. it takes a certain amount of perfectly timed sarcasm, the proper amount of wit, tone, and real world examples.

we need to be able to relate (yeah I know it's stupid lol) to the opposition to affectively change opinion. remember we have to debate on a different level, with different people sometimes. if you arent getting anywhere with the person you are debating, simply remember, that you are not trying to change that one mind, that you are going for the minds sitting next to him or her.

everyone go watch "thank you for smoking".. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW87GRmunMY

(somebody can imbed that if you want).

it sucks to think about sometimes, but there are minds that we wont be able to change... but there are more impressionable minds watching that interaction. so how you come accross to those people is of great importance. everybody willing to have this debate with people should know a little about psychology. if you dont, look some stuff up.

remember this simple phrase that I have used before. "I promise, any bad guys hearing this would rather be in a room with you then me "

delivered with the proper smirk, tone, (maybe directed at the cute girl of the group) etc.. can be very persuading..

[Byte Stryke]

if gun control works? Why are there so many Slaughters in gun free zones?

[Ronin13]

I'm surprised you'd quote KRS-One... he's pretty cool!
I'd say in the words of Earl "DMX" Simmons (since we're quoting hip hop here):
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people!"

There are so many logical, and well thought out arguments that state how guns are not to blame, but I've yet to see any reasonable arguments supporting making us like the UK... For one, I think Uncle Ted put it very bluntly on CNN:
"Where you have the most armed citizens in America, you have the lowest violent crime rate. Where you have the worst gun control [meaning more of it!] you have the highest violent crime rate." Facts, right there! But Anti's hate that dreaded F-word!

[speedysst]

[Chad4000]

if gun control works? Why are there so many Slaughters in gun free zones?

problem with these is that if you are talking to somebody who knows anything, they will have stats of some sort too.... (yeah stupid ones, but you wont be able to fact check them while you are standing there).

what about relating it to something that is important to a liberal?

:disclaimer- the following statement is a devils advocate position that you might consider using to persuade retards. yes the follow statement is sarcastic in nature, and abbreviated for attention spans lol: "would you be in favor of stricter legislation on free speech? I believe that restricting free speech would allow for a more controlled debate. humans are by nature, reactionary beings, and as tensions mount, violence makes its way in".

liberal says "omg,,, that's retarded!!! that's one of the most basic human rights!!!"

normal person (still sarcastic.. but sell it) - "well of course, but I want safety to be paramount. if we are willing to give up basic human rights for safety, then I think the first amendement should be the highest priority."

liberal- "Well I would rather give up safey then my most basic human rights!"

normal person - "ahhh... then I actually think we are on the same side of this argument. because I totally agree with you... sometime it's more important for the country to have these basic human rights in place then it is for us to be "safe", wouldnt you agree?"

liberal - "well I believe that we can have both, safety and the most basic human rights" (now you have cracked the safe... keep working)

normal person - "absolutely, i agree."

liberal - "so you would be in favor of more gun control?"

normal person - "well no... I thought we agreed that it would benefit the country to have basic human rights intact?"

liberal - "wait.. so you think that owning a gun is a basic human right?"

normal person - "protecting yourself and your family is a basic human right is it not?"

liberal - "lol omg here we go,, now you are going to say that owning an AR-15 with a 1000 round clip (lol) is a basic human right bla bla bla liberal goes nuts"....

normal person calmly looks over at the people watching this interaction.... liberal going nuts, nobody paying attention to him.. everyone thinking about what you just said....

[dwalker460]

When I am encountered with an anti-gun fact spouter I turn the tables and go emotional. I ask, in all seriousness how they would feel if they were out with their loved ones and some nutjob criminal opened fire on a crowd and the guy next to them or thier wife or husband or child was shot. How would they feel knowing that they have no way of protecting themselves from this person because they chose to go about unarmed. That because they backed anti-gun laws none of the law-abiding citizens in the crowd were armed and so this criminal, who may or may not have acquired his weapon legally, can fire away without fear from his targets. I ask them how guilty they would feel about knowing that had they supported gun ownership the entire incident might have been averted as generically, criminals do not pick fights with armed citizens, instead specifically targeting those that they KNOW are likely to be unarmed.
Obviously they will initially spout off that if no one had guns blah blah blah, but then I point out to them that in the UK guns have been outlawed and yet look at how many innocents have died in shootings, bombings, etc.? In the cities in this country where guns are heavily regulated there is more gun and violent crimes than in areas where citizens are more likely than not to own and possibly even be carrying firearms.

They talk about "assault weapons" and magazine capacity and why would someone need so much ammo etc. and how it just has to be controlled and so I point out that no matter what, if someone wants to have something or do something, they are gpoing to do it. Drugs are illegal and yet nothing stops them.

Now the intelligent anit-gunner will make some arguments about gun ownership, dangers to children in the home, etc. etc. and how we must "protect" each other from such inherent evil. The most useful thing there is to ask if they have alcohol in the home? Do they support legalized drug use? These are things that definitely present a danger to children in the home and no matter how responsible you are as an adult, are very easily abused by others. Since many anti-gunners are supporters of legalized drug use and "personal freedoms" I find it very satisfying to use this argument against them, as gun ownership, no matter whether it is a .22 pistol, an airgun or a full-on "assault rifle" is a personal freedom.

I also enjoy watching anti-gunners squirm a bit when asked to define or identify an "assault rifle", since many of them have no idea and just pick the black gun with attachments.

I do all this with a serious but congenial tone. I have always found that if you are on the offensive most of the anti-gunners will just get all pissy and whine and shut down and just end up more convinced they are right. Add a little brevity, maybe a laugh or two while still being serious and many will sway a tiny bit. I also offer to take them out shooting so they can answer the question of "why" for themselves.

[Chad4000]

I do all this with a serious but congenial tone. I have always found that if you are on the offensive most of the anti-gunners will just get all pissy and whine and shut down and just end up more convinced they are right. Add a little brevity, maybe a laugh or two while still being serious and many will sway a tiny bit. I also offer to take them out shooting so they can answer the question of "why" for themselves.

totally agree....

[cofi]

Why do 100 round mags need to be legal?
Why would we allow our citizens to own military weapons?

Been hearing those a lot recently

[Chad4000]

Why do 100 round mags need to be legal?
Why would we allow our citizens to own military weapons?

Been hearing those a lot recently

well because the military has them....

I mean the origins of the 2nd werent so much to protect yourself from your neighbor.....

[ChunkyMonkey]

A tad off course.. Beck's The Blaze has compiled a list of recent moments that were blamed to conservatives but were completely wrong.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/six-...-for-violence/