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    There is a fundamental flaw in the logic of those that justify whatever ban or law they want to pass with "nobody NEEDS X" and that is that in a free society, "need" is not the base criteria as to whether something should be legal or not.

    You don't "need" a 4G smart phone.
    You don't "need" a 300hp car.
    You don't "need" more than 8 crayons in a box.
    You don't "need" ice cream.
    You don't "need" flavored condoms.
    You don't "need" more than the 5-6 TV stations you can get off the air with an antenna.
    You don't "need" a video game console.
    You don't "need" stylish clothing.
    You don't "need" internet forums.
    You don't "need" ... you get the idea, this could go on and on forever.


    Nowhere in the Constitution does it say "The rights of the people shall be limited only to their needs."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    There is a fundamental flaw in the logic of those that justify whatever ban or law they want to pass with "nobody NEEDS X" and that is that in a free society, "need" is not the base criteria as to whether something should be legal or not.

    You don't "need" a 4G smart phone.
    You don't "need" a 300hp car.
    You don't "need" more than 8 crayons in a box.
    You don't "need" ice cream.
    You don't "need" flavored condoms.
    You don't "need" more than the 5-6 TV stations you can get off the air with an antenna.
    You don't "need" a video game console.
    You don't "need" stylish clothing.
    You don't "need" internet forums.
    You don't "need" ... you get the idea, this could go on and on forever.


    Nowhere in the Constitution does it say "The rights of the people shall be limited only to their needs."
    ^This. We shouldn't have to justify our rights...
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    If all certain municipalities wanted to do was confiscate your hi-cap mags and make you pay a fine for each one, I would be of the opinion that certain municipalities were free to make their own rules and that would be fine . . . but it isn't that way at all. In certain states: IIRC, NY, NJ, IL, RI, MD -- they will charge you with a FELONY simply for owning a single unloaded hi-cap mag in your own home, even if you don't own a firearm or any ammunition. Zero tolerance says they can do that. A felony and mandatory jail time and forfeiture of your constitutional rights simply for owning a thin metal box with a spring inside. And they want to make it that way nationwide, which is contrary to the Constitution and unacceptable.

    Purposes for hi-cap mags? Aside from the coolness factor and fun at the shooting range, there are a few scenarios where a homeowner will be on their own with no police available to protect them if they called 911. Rural homeowners often have a minimum of a 30 minute response time, if not longer. In the event of a natural catastrophe or rioting you would not be able to get through to a 911 operator, even if the phones were still operational.

    The reason I own hi-cap mags (stored outside of Denver, unloaded) is so I have that option available to protect my home in the event of civil unrest, with gangs of looters going house to house. That is not ignorant paranoia . . . after all, we do seem to have a bit of a gang problem here in Denver. Gangs tend to ignore weapon laws and are well armed. They also probably have very limited supplies at their homes, and once they realize the supermarkets are stripped bare and the fast food restaurants are closed, they WILL be kicking in doors. There is no question that this will occur, the only question is when. Hopefully not until after I've moved out of Denver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    Nowhere in the Constitution does it say "The rights of the people shall be limited only to their needs."
    Well put. I'm going to post this on Facebook.
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    I strongly disagree with the crayon statement: I most certainly need more than 8 colors!!

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    It's like I've been telling people that say hi cap mags are for killing. It's a game of chance when it comes to self defense at that point if you do a hi cap mag ban. A BG will always find what he wants but you want me to only have 5 rounds in my mag and if I can't stop him or them with that it's too bad? FU!

    A friend looked up online today and the US murder rate he said last year was lower than the prior and stats I have seen are the rate of death by drunk drivers out weigh the deaths by guns so everyone who keeps posting all these stats of gun deaths in America need to cram it! Let's ban alcohol and cars....yeah right! Sorry no website or stats to back up my post here but they're floating around on another post somewhere.


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    There are tons of them, this one seems unbiased:

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    This is why congress should be limited to 120 days to conduct business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlin View Post
    This is why congress should be limited to 120 days to conduct business.

    Even then, only with adult supervision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scratchy View Post
    Even then, only with adult supervision.
    Yes scratchy, you are 100% right on that one!!
    Our politicians should be required to have their staff assistants be able to read and comprehend the facts that they have read about PRIOR to recommending how their boss should respond to current issues. In other words, get the facts straight so the politician knows what the hell he/she is talking about and voting on. If their staff cannot feed them the CORRECT/up to date information, get rid of that member of their staff. Easy!!
    Seems most of those folks still do NOT know the difference between a magazine and a clip.

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