Sticking to their guns: Marines place $22.5M order for the Colt .45 M1911

[nisils14]

I think ergonomics is a big part in why I like 1911s so much. The M9 feels beefcake, unless one has have a XL hand, the pistol gets unwieldy for me.
Here's some capacity.

[Colorado Osprey]

choosing to go back to a design over a 100 years old is just plain... duh. Some military purchaser got nostalgic.

Why not go back to the 1903 Springfield too? The people who claim the M-16/M4 who don't have enough stopping power will be silenced.

There is a reason things change... those that are stuck on the 1911 is just nostalgia. I too went through the 1911 nostalgia stage when I 1st started collecting firearms. Then I realized there are better guns... Hand built 1911's are pieces of art. Most 1911's these days are mass produced plinkers. From the initial tests that put the M9 in the hands of the military, the 9mm was more accurate and reliable than the military 1911 in most people's hands. I'm not talking about hand built tuned accurate 1911's. That is the reason for the big switch. The bonus was magazine capacity.

I also do not buy in to the 45ACP is king theory. For those that want superior stopping power need to look at the (full house) 10mm for ammo capacity and energy. It puts the 45ACP to shame in all categories.

[jerrymrc]

And the part about the M9's lack of accuracy and stopping power is just stupid lol

I have a friend that did two tours and had to use his M9 in a real life situation that would disagree with you.

[Bailey Guns]

Capacity is king...

Personally, I'd say reliability is king. And keep in mind it's very easy to get 11 rounds in a single stack 1911 if you (or the military) chooses to go with 10 round mags. That's only a few less than the combat Tupperware guns out there.

I think it's an excellent choice. From a completely nostalgic viewpoint, I think it's fantastic.

[Wiggity]

I have a friend that did two tours and had to use his M9 in a real life situation that would disagree with you.

How would the .45 have performed better? Unless you hit something vital, the difference in stopping power is negligible. 9mm-.45 are just plain shitty for stopping power.

Maybe I should have qualified my post with "compared to the .45"

[J]

I hate the beretta, the ergos and shape just feel awful to me.

For those of you who are saying the M9 has ample stopping power, remember that the Hague convention prohibits expanding ammo. So while we or our police have, IMHO, ample stopping power with 124gr +p hollow points, they shoot FMJs. Might as well stab the guy with a thin ice pick.

That said, if I was I Kandahar, I'd like more than 8 shots. A glock 21 perhaps for me. Better capacity, broad bullet face, and a proven and reliable design. Of course the mil wants a safety, perhaps for $23M gaston could make a custom model for them.

[Scanker19]

FMJs suck in general, Keep in mind they wound not kill.

The Marines aren't known for being especially smart. Single action only sucks, Especially if you need the double action.


Keep in Mind if your using your pistol, as a common ground guy, you're either a tanker in 2003 or in some seriously deep shit.

I like the 1911 but there are better choices for a combat hand gun. "but jordan, its a 100 year old design that works" So was standing in a line and shooting at each other.

[Fist_gonzo]

I hate the beretta, the ergos and shape just feel awful to me.

For those of you who are saying the M9 has ample stopping power, remember that the Hague convention prohibits expanding ammo. So while we or our police have, IMHO, ample stopping power with 124gr +p hollow points, they shoot FMJs. Might as well stab the guy with a thin ice pick.

That said, if I was I Kandahar, I'd like more than 8 shots. A glock 21 perhaps for me. Better capacity, broad bullet face, and a proven and reliable design. Of course the mil wants a safety, perhaps for $23M gaston could make a custom model for them.

+1 deployed with a m9 and hated it, loved getting it back from the armsroom with a layer of rust on it even after coating it with clp. L think the 1911 was a better choice but imo they couldve done better

[J]

Agreed on FMJs sucking Jordan. But if I'm shooting FMJ, I want .45" instead of .36". And I'm a guy who has 6 pistol 9mms and only 2 .45s

I like the 9mm round, but not if I'm forced to use FMJ.

[Wiggity]

I hate the beretta, the ergos and shape just feel awful to me.

For those of you who are saying the M9 has ample stopping power, remember that the Hague convention prohibits expanding ammo. So while we or our police have, IMHO, ample stopping power with 124gr +p hollow points, they shoot FMJs. Might as well stab the guy with a thin ice pick.

That said, if I was I Kandahar, I'd like more than 8 shots. A glock 21 perhaps for me. Better capacity, broad bullet face, and a proven and reliable design. Of course the mil wants a safety, perhaps for $23M gaston could make a custom model for them.

Weird, they feel great to me, but I have monster hands.

Again, its all about shot placement. You hit someone in the face, spine, neck, heart, major arteries, and its over.