Sticking to their guns: Marines place $22.5M order for the Colt .45 M1911

[Scanker19]

Magazine capacity didn't seem to limit Sgt. York.

Not every fighting man is Alvin York.

[PSS]

My argument would be to raise the abilities of the fighting man then. If a man is not good with a pistol with 8 rounds then 7 rds more would make that big of a difference?

[ruthabagah]

My argument would be to raise the abilities of the fighting man then. If a man is not good with a pistol with 8 rounds then 7 rds more would make that big of a difference?

Here you are touching the age old discussion / Argument between accuracy and fire rate.

What is better: A one shot kill, or saturate your target with enough lead that you don't have to be accurate?

now please remember that in 1918 few soldiers were carrying body armor, and the average German soldier height was only 5ft 4 1/2 in, with a weight of 140 lbs. Yes, one round would do.

We are in a different era, and I am totally for an increase to 45, but the lack of mag capacity is a serious concern for me.

[PSS]

Here you are touching the age old discussion / Argument between accuracy and fire rate.

What is better: A one shot kill, or saturate your target with enough lead that you don't have to be accurate?

now please remember that in 1918 few soldiers were carrying body armor, and the average German soldier height was only 5ft 4 1/2 in, with a weight of 140 lbs. Yes, one round would do.

We are in a different era, and I am totally for an increase to 45, but the lack of mag capacity is a serious concern for me.

On top of all the facts is the fact I'm an armchair quarterback. My opinion is worth what you paid for it. I'm a fan of the 1911 and don't feel it's an inferior weapon when I'm punching holes in the target in preparation of the day it may be used in the defense of life. I find it accurate and hard hitting. Those steel plates drop and don't move when I hammer em with a 230 grain bullet.

Maybe some of the ones that have played in the sandbox can comment. But 5'4" 140 pounds seems to represent the last few combatants the US has been up against in the last 20 years. Somali, Iraqi, Afghans. Most third world countries seem to have smaller people than developed countries.

[PSS]

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What is better: A one shot kill, or saturate your target with enough lead that you don't have to be accurate?

Another point. When I first starting shooting pistols just pointing the weapon at the target and blasting away at 25 yards was a good way to completely miss the target. A pistol is wildly inaccurate in undisciplined hands compared to a rifle in the same situation.

I would assume tho that the situation being a trained military force that the 1911 vs a pistol with more capacity argument would give the advantage to the pistol with a lot of rounds and good reliability/accuracy. It's still awesome that a classic design is found worthy of duty.

[Sharpienads]

My argument would be to raise the abilities of the fighting man then. If a man is not good with a pistol with 8 rounds then 7 rds more would make that big of a difference?

Yeah, but making room for range time and actual good training would limit the amount of time we have to do other equally if not more important training, like repeal of DADT training, bystander intervention training (what to do if you see somebody getting raped), human trafficking training, why you shouldn't leave your ID card lying around or why you shouldn't surf porn on government computers, anti-terroism training (not nearly as cool as it sounds), why black people and white people and other minorities are the same, celebrating Asian-Pacific Islander-American heritage month in March (or is it May? (yes, that is a real thing)), filling out paperwork to request to go do some normal job based training, filling out paperwork to explain what type of normal job based training your going to do, making sure you're not using a "limited use area" on a military range so that you don't disturb the habitat of an "endangered" (read: unable to adapt and useless) species, filling out paperwork after normal job based training stating what kind of normal job based training was accomplished, reading all the threads on AR-15.co, typing ridiculous replys on AR-15.co, filling out forms on a website when you need an annual physical, filling out the same exact form while getting a physical, trying to understand why the military thinks you're overweight when you're 5'8" and weigh 170lbs., wondering if you really are an alcoholic like the military says you are or live in denial because during a normal week you might have 1 or 2 alcoholic drinks 3 times during said week, filling out post-deployment health assessments online, filling out the same exact post deployment health assessment when you get a post deployment health assessment, telling doctors that you don't have emotional trauma, telling family and life consultants contracted by the military that you don't have emotional trauma, going to staff meetings, scheduling meetings, training meetings, etc. only to try to explain that if you didn't have to go to so many gd meetings maybe you could actually get some work done... the list goes on and on.

But, I would much rather have a 1911 than an M9. But if I had a choice, I would carry my M&P 45.

[DocMedic]

I'll shoot what ever is issued.

[Fist_gonzo]

Im for the .45 over the 9mm, but capacity wise there are better options. Im for something like glock 21 sf, 13+1 capacity, also wieght should be a factor. The g21sf is around 26oz vs 38oz unloaded(not sure if the marine versions will be lighter). I know my ass would stay up at night thinking of ways to shed some wieght when I was deployed, all the the cool accesories add up when doing dismounted patrols in 120+ degree weather.

[hatidua]

This quote is from another forum but is one of the more accurate assessments I've read on this topic:

It seems that suddenly everyone on the internet knows more about what the Marine special forces should be using for sidearms then the actual special forces guys themselves.

[bellavite1]

This quote is from another forum but is one of the more accurate assessments I've read on this topic:

Amen to that!