When would you draw if you CCW?

[Eggysrun]

So today I witnessed a crime and had the opertunity to stop the person from getting away, as i was walking into king soopers a lady was leaving and a man was chasing after her to get her attention, i saw him show her a badge and he escorted her back inside. She went with him and then noticed her fleeing for the door. The security guy kinda put his hands up and didn't make a physical attempt to stop her (maybe company policy so dude doesn't get hurt) but it was obvious to me what was going on and I asked the guy twice

"I have a gun, do you want me to stop her?"

I had to ask the second time because I think he was caught off guard, I had my gun in my backpack so it wasn't aparent I was armed. He declined, let her go he said and I went on my business.

I'm just wondering what standards the guys who CCW/OC have for drawing their weapon especially in a public place. My rule of thumb is protect myself from danger, and if a crime is occuring if someone needs help or is being injured it's fair game to stop what's happening.

[Great-Kazoo]

Were you personally or someone else in imminent danger, fear for your life, no other means of escape. Flight or flight ?????????
If none of the above, your even suggesting to someone else.
"I have a gun, do you want me to stop her?"
Is IMHO foolish and irresponsible.
That is my opinion anyone wants to correct or debate what i wrote, go ahead.
In the mean time i cannot suggest strongly enough you READ THEN READ AGAIN
CRS statues regarding use of deadly force.

here is part of it. The rest is up to you to research.

18-1-704. Use of physical force in defense of a person.

1. Except as provided in subsections (2) and (3) of this section, a person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order to defend himself or a third person from what he reasonably believes to be the use of imminent use of unlawful physical force by that other person, and he may use a degree of force which he reasonably believes to be necessary for that purpose.
2. Deadly physical force may be used only if a person reasonably believes a lesser degree of force is inadequate and:

1. The actor has reasonable ground to believe and does believe, that he or another person is in imminent danger of being killed or of receiving great bodily injury; or
2. The other person is using or reasonably appears about to use physical force against an occupant of a dwelling or business establishment while committing or attempting to commit burglary as defined in sections 18-4-202 to 18-4-204; or
3. The other person is committing or reasonably appears about to commit kidnapping as defined in section 18-3-301 or 18-3-302, robbery as defined in section 18-4-301 or 18-4-302, sexual assault as set forth in section 18-3-402 or in section 18-3-403 as it existed prior to July 1, 2000, or assault as defined in sections 18-3-202 and 18-3-203.

[dan512]

Yeah, I have to say the only time the gun is coming out is under threat of great physical harm or death to me or someone close by. No money or property is worth enough to end a life, and then finish mine out in jail.

[jslo]

Pretty sure LE wouldn't draw in that situation either.

[beast556]

OP I hope you have a good attorney on speed dial. Only time my weapon is getting pulled is if my kids,wife,or my life is threatened. I cant believe you were going to pull your gun over a shoplifting incident, not smart at all.

[spqrzilla]

So today I witnessed a crime and had the opertunity to stop the person from getting away, as i was walking into king soopers a lady was leaving and a man was chasing after her to get her attention, i saw him show her a badge and he escorted her back inside. She went with him and then noticed her fleeing for the door. The security guy kinda put his hands up and didn't make a physical attempt to stop her (maybe company policy so dude doesn't get hurt) but it was obvious to me what was going on and I asked the guy twice

"I have a gun, do you want me to stop her?"

I had to ask the second time because I think he was caught off guard, I had my gun in my backpack so it wasn't aparent I was armed. He declined, let her go he said and I went on my business.

I'm just wondering what standards the guys who CCW/OC have for drawing their weapon especially in a public place. My rule of thumb is protect myself from danger, and if a crime is occuring if someone needs help or is being injured it's fair game to stop what's happening.

You simply have zero business volunteering to help a private security guard detain a shoplifter.

Zero. Nada. None. Not merely don't draw, don't help. And certainly don't offer deadly force. If the shoplifter was beating the crap out of the security guard, we'd have a different discussion.

You are not paid to decide whether to detain a shoplifter, you don't have liability insurance covering you if the shoplifter sues you for assault and/or unlawful arrest/imprisonment.

[Tinelement]

This.....

Yeah, I have to say the only time the gun is coming out is under threat of great physical harm or death to me or someone close by. No money or property is worth enough to end a life, and then finish mine out in jail.

And more importantly this..

OP I hope you have a good attorney on speed dial. Only time my weapon is getting pulled is if my kids,wife,or my life is threatened. I cant believe you were going to pull your gun over a shoplifting incident, not smart at all.

[bigun1962]

jim sums it up. Nice job with your explanation.

[kwando]

Hope this is a joke!

Where did you take your class or your CCW??

[TEAMRICO]

D: All of the above!

Now a nice CLOTHESLINE woulda been good!