More liberal hypocrisy

[clublights]

Point taken. It's reasonable to assume, however, that:

1. Straw buyers selling guns into Mexico had been going on for some time before 2007, else the ATF wouldn't have created a sting process utilizing that logistics chain.

2. Some portion of the 68,000 guns from the US were sold legally to US citizens and made their way to Mexico or into the hands of criminals in the US.

3. Regardless of ATF sting activity, weapons have been and will continue to be sold to straw buyers and passed on to criminals.

1. Yeah of course

2. Yes. What does that have to do with the ATF forcing KNOWN illegal sales and just letting them walk?

3. So two wrongs make a right ?? really? Just blame Bush right ? F&F would be a lot easier to swallow except for these factors:

A. It had been tried before and FAILED.

B. Despite knowing of the failure they tried anyways and this time did not bother to inform the mexican's

C. Again Despite knowledge of failure the first time... THey tried it again and didn't even bother to follow the weapons.

D. F&F weapons that came from a failed operation form the start that you didn't track the weapons or let the mexicans know what you were doing.....got american LEO's killed.

To expand on Point B... How would YOU feel if say the Saudi's knowing they have a terrorist bomb problem allowed / helped terrorists get bombs across the US border and used said bombs to kill americans.. How would YOU Feel ?

[Rucker61]

1. Yeah of course

2. Yes. What does that have to do with the ATF forcing KNOWN illegal sales and just letting them walk?

What was illegal about the initial sales? Selling firearms to American citizens of legal age is perfectly legal, isn't it?

To expand on Point B... How would YOU feel if say the Saudi's knowing they have a terrorist bomb problem allowed / helped terrorists get bombs across the US border and used said bombs to kill americans.. How would YOU Feel ?

I don't feel that the Saudis are our allies now. Not informing the Mexicans that OF&F was in play could be considered an act of war.

[Mazin]

[Rucker61;568348]What was illegal about the initial sales? Selling firearms to American citizens of legal age is perfectly legal, isn't it?


Not if its known (prevous experinces) that you are not going to be the sole owner of the firearm aka Straw sell.



I don't feel that the Saudis are our allies now. Not informing the Mexicans that OF&F was in play could be considered an act of war.[/quote]


I don't feel the saudis ever really where allies. As far as Mexico what are they going to do Invade?.......to late. What about the US citizens that have been killed by Illigals does that not constitute an act of war?

[Rucker61]

[Rucker61;568348]What was illegal about the initial sales? Selling firearms to American citizens of legal age is perfectly legal, isn't it?


Not if its known (prevous experinces) that you are not going to be the sole owner of the firearm aka Straw sell.

Unfortunately, I don't think that previous activity counts in a courtroom. As I see it, the crime wouldn't occur until the straw buyer completed the transaction. I'm not a lawyer, though.

[Mazin]

Unfortunately, I don't think that previous activity counts in a courtroom. As I see it, the crime wouldn't occur until the straw buyer completed the transaction. I'm not a lawyer, though.

To me it would show intent, but I'm no lawyer ether.

[Rucker61]

Don't feed the troll.

He's a lib

Untrue. Liberals don't own guns and believe in the 2nd amendment, do they?

and doesn't even own an AR.

True, but I have in the past, could again in the future, understand that it's not a requirement for membership, and there are over 40 subforums here not focused on AR-15s. I own 9 other firearms, though.

Why is he even on this site? Kinda like a vegetarian hanging out at Ruths Chris steak house or a priest visiting the Red Light District in Amsterdam. He just likes peeing in the pool.

No, I like talking and learning about shooting. There are some pretty informed folks here, and it's local, too. Why are you so afraid of me posting here?

[Bailey Guns]

Untrue. Liberals don't own guns and believe in the 2nd amendment, do they?

Sure. Some do. Just ask your buddy, JK.

[Ronin13]

I don't feel that the Saudis are our allies now. Not informing the Mexicans that OF&F was in play could be considered an act of war.

Oh and armed citizens of a foreign country illegally entering a sovereign nation and killing citizens of said sovereign nation isn't an act of war? Give me a fucking break!

I don't feel the saudis ever really where allies. As far as Mexico what are they going to do Invade?.......to late. What about the US citizens that have been killed by Illigals does that not constitute an act of war?

THIS!

[Rucker61]

Oh and armed citizens of a foreign country illegally entering a sovereign nation and killing citizens of said sovereign nation isn't an act of war? Give me a fucking break!

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No, I don't believe that it's Mexican government policy, any more than you walking across the border and shooting a Mexican citizen would be considered an act of war by either accepted international law or by US Statute.

[Ronin13]

No, I don't believe that it's Mexican government policy, any more than you walking across the border and shooting a Mexican citizen would be considered an act of war by either accepted international law or by US Statute.

There has been substantial evidence that armed Mexican soldiers, have crossed our border illegally, and have fired on US Citizens. Either way, Mexico needs to fix this shit.