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so you are selecting things from the holy Bible that you do not follow because they are old...Originally Posted by theGinsue
a new guy came along and said bahh, here's a new deal...
but we keep the old stuff there why?
Why are people always so concerned about what others do especially when it doesn't harm them? I couldn't give a flying fart if my neighbor was in love with his favorite lazboy recliner and wanted to marry it. Now of course when he invited me over to watch a Broncos game I wouldn't want to sit on it but other than that I don't care.
I am not a very religious person but I do believe in God. I don't however believe that just because something was written down about how to live life 100, 1,000, 10,000 years ago would necessarily mean that it should apply now. Everything is constantly evolving rather you want it to or not. That's one thing that's great about being alive is constant change. No matter how hard you try to plan your life every day you wake up its 100% out of your control good or bad.
If a gay couple wants to get married good for them as long as they have the same rules as my wife and I. Telling them no because thats not how it used to be is a chicken shit answer. Evolution isn't just good when it only benefits you........
Marriage is a religious word that should have remained a religious word meaning a relationship between a man and a woman who are joined together in a religious ceremony.
I do not know why The State co-opted the word marriage, The State should have gone with civil union or something similar from the get-go but The State did not.
Now, thanks to The State, we have this problem of homosexuals using the word marriage to define their relationships.
Before you get all upset, know this about my take on homosexuality. True homosexuality is NOT a choice, true homosexuals are born homosexual. If you cannot accept that simple fact then I can only ask you what day you chose to be heterosexual. I cannot tell you what day I chose to be heterosexual, all I know is that I've always liked women.
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Last edited by roberth; 08-10-2012 at 20:29.
there are two main groups at the heart of this issue as far as religious folk go. there are those that want attention and enjoy judging others. then there are those that truly care for the souls of other people and sometimes say things that sound meaner than they are intended. you have to look at it from a true christians point of view, ie, those that oppose certain lifestyles and "sins" but do so kindly. the fact is, christians believe that those who openly live in sin are doomed to an eternity in hell. certainly many people don't share this point of view and thus get offended when they are told something they are doing is wrong. understandable. but lets just pretend for a minute that what christians believe is true. lets just pretend said christians have had supernatural experiences that have led them to believe there is no doubt god exists and that the bible is truth. what kind of person would they be to sit back and let others who may not be yet aware of this truth to go to hell? thats why many have such a problem with homosexuality. its no worse than any other sin according to the bible, but a sin nonetheless. clearly society is moving towards acceptance of this behavior, that bothers some christians.
the more socially acceptable certain behaviors or lifestyles become, the more difficult it becomes to warn people of the dangers. now, for me personally, i don't pretend that my religious beliefs should reflect polticial and societal rules and laws. in fact i think that is a dangerous game to play. i have quite a few friends who are homosexual. i get along great with them. i don't feel yet close enough to them to confront them about my beliefs, although they know at a basic level what they are. for me, confronting friends on things i believe to be wrong in their lives takes a long time and i do so VERY carefully. i know that 90% of the time they will ignore me and thats ok, but i can't have a clear conscience without discussing it with them. its never caused problems. we move on our merry way and thats the end of it. the problem is many christians have become political and try to warn people on a grand scale which always comes off as judging. personally any religious beliefs people have i think are best kept amongst your close friends and family because they know you are not judgemental and simply care for their well being, even if you don't see eye to eye.
as far as things being old and evolving and such, the thing there is that i believe humans have looked for absolute truth since the beginning of time. we want there to be true right and wrong, the kind that lasts for eternity and is never changing. to not have this is a world of chaos in the minds of some. if there is no clear right and wrong, and it is always changing, what do we follow and why? it seems natural to me to desire such a thing. some find it in the bible which is why these arguments come up.
if you truly want to know the answer to that (and aren't just trying to poke fun at people's beliefs) you need to either study it in your free time or sit down with someone for a few hours. its not complicated, but the evidence and explanations are long and span the entire bible. certainly not something that can be fit into some message board posts. do know there are reasons, and good ones. it was the main question i had and studied over the last 8 years.
I am interested in the age group here as far as who is so vehemently against it to just against it but let them do their thing versus those who do not have as much if any issues. Has the concept of same sex marriage been at the forefront during most of the formative years of the younger members of the board that it has become less of an issue?
for the record I am 25 and I believe that love is love and they should be able to pen that love in the form of marriage just like the rest of us if they so choose.
You sir, are a specialist in the art of discovering a welcoming outcome of a particular situation....not a mechanic.
My feedback add 11-12 ish before the great servpocaylpse of 2012
I see what you did there.
The first thing you know...Elizabeth: Why can't a woman have two husbands?
Pardner: Because you can't.
Elizabeth: Well, why?
Pardner: You explain it to her, Ben.
Ben: l'd like to oblige, Pardner, but l'll be damned if l can think of a reason. Out here we make up our own rules as we go along.
A man with two wives wants to sell one at auction, nobody thinks twice. lf a town needs females, hijacking 'em seems the natural thing to do.
And if two pardners want to share a wife, why not? This ain't Michigan. lt's gold country. Why, hell, it's the golden country! Untouched and uncontaminated by human hands!
People can look civilisation in the eye and spit!
You don't have to please anybody, don't have to love thy neighbour. lt's wild, human and free, and all over this nation, they preach against it every Sunday. But l don't think God's listening. You know why? Because he's here, in glorious California!
They civilize left & civilize right
'till nothin is left & nothin is right
They civilize freedom 'till no one is free
No one except, by coincidence, ME!
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i am 26, and i think there is no doubt the younger generation tends to be more flexible on their views. most of our parents grew up in the 60's and 70's when there was a lot of experimentation and changing of values. of course we also live in the era of political correctness, which i think can be good and bad, depending how you slice it. most of my parents' aged people who are against gay marriage don't seem to be able to articulate why. they are because they are supposed to be. thats not all of them, but many. the younger generation, in my experience, has a more diverse opinion on the subject but generally can give more details as to EXACTLY what they believe and why. although i am conservative and thus stick to traditional beliefs in many ways, i do think there is a lot of good that comes from these types of issues being open and debated. kids these days are having to think for themselves much more than they used to and determine what they want to believe in. i think many make the wrong decisions, but i am glad they have the choice. i think not long ago many people sort of went through the motions because they were told to.
Byte - The simple answer to your OT vs NT take on Christianity is found in Matthew 5:17 Jesus speaking "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
Religion predates the state. The state did not co-opt marriage, however western civilization's history has a complicated, interrelated progression of both state and church. When the head of the state was also the head of the church, the rules of religion were closely related but not the same as the rules of the state. A classic story illustrating this point would be that of Thomas Becket and Henry II of England.
I have tried, based upon the OP's request to refrain from making this a religious issue and tried to leave the Bible out of my posts. Once again, I must admit my failures. For me to consider an issue without my faith would be to reason with only a portion of my brain. For me, my faith is part of who I am and I can no more make a reasonable judgment about any issue without considering my faith than I could drive a car while blind folded and wearing a straight jacket.
We are who we are. To be any less would make us less than we should be.
Be safe.
I'm 44 and quite honestly couldn't give two bat shits less what 2 consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home. And if 2 dudes want to play hide the salami, as long as I'm not one of the dudes, it's really none of my business. If 2 hot broads want to go at it...I want to be invited to watch, if not invited, It's really none of my business
If they need to call their relationship a "marriage" ...let them, but they should be subject to both the good and the bad of that legal contract. Their marriage has ZERO effect on my marriage.
in full disclosure, I have 2 lesbian aunts (that both married 2 lesbian women, so I guess I have 4 lesbian aunts). One couple is the happiest couple I've ever seen in my life....they have 2 kids (both from previous marriages to men) and a granddaughter, and other than the lack of a penis in their relationship they are a lesbian version of The Cleavers. The other couple rank with the must unhappy couple I've ever seen
I have 2 daughters, ages 9 and 10. It's not a life I would choose for them, but if it turns out they're gay, I only hope for their happiness. I wouldn't love them any less because of whom they choose to love.
Also for the record, I'm a pretty religious guy, raised Catholic, and their stance on "the gays" is one of the things that has turned me away from the church. It bothers me that for years they have been practicing homosexual pedophilia, but condemn consenting adults. My God is a loving, forgiving God that does not condemn a person to eternal damnation because they love someone....(I'm sure some will throw bible quotes here, explaining that it a mortal sin)
I'll actually be going to a "lesbian wedding" (the 2nd I've attended-neither were my aunts) in September up in Estes Park. A woman my wife works with is getting married. One of them is/was really sick with cancer and, as I understand it, was not covered under her partner's insurance because they weren't married (even though they were a couple for almost 20 years)
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