Marriage Vs Marriage.. A question

[Ronin13]

I thought about this earlier and came up with "church-marriage" and "court-marriage".

Careful though, that whole "marriage" word tends to get under the skin of religious types... Why not just give the homo populous their own word and let them share it with the atheists.

[Rucker61]

Careful though, that whole "marriage" word tends to get under the skin of religious types... Why not just give the homo populous their own word and let them share it with the atheists.

Given the choice, most gays and atheists I know would prefer to get under the skin of the religious types.

[cstone]

I was considering this issue from another point of view.

If a 30 year old man walked into the County Clerk's Office and applied for a marriage license. The other adult consenting party was the man's 28 year old sister. Would this be an issue?

If a 65 year old consenting woman walked into the County Clerk's Office and applied for a marriage license. The other consenting adult party was the woman's 35 year old son. Would this be an issue?

What boundaries, if any, does your local political jurisdiction place upon the two parties who wish to enter into a legally binding marriage?

Why does a court marriage only have to be between two consenting adults? Why not six consenting adults?

IMO, this is a legal issue and therefore a political issue. If no one cared, then the law would be changed, as it has been in several jurisdictions. The interesting part of the reinterpretation of the laws regarding marriage is how the courts have taken a leading role in redefining what marriage is and what types of parties can enter into this contract. I think this leading role by the courts is what causes so many people to associate the civil rights movement of the 1950's and 1960's with the same sex marriage movement of today.

[Ronin13]

Given the choice, most gays and atheists I know would prefer to get under the skin of the religious types.

And that's the problem with America. The two will never coexist as long as one (or both) are intolerant of each other's views. And that's why I have no respect for those gays and atheists and visa versa for the religious folks that can't accept differing views.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I'm not particularly religious but I AM a stickler on not defining the language. This attempt to redefine "marriage" (or for that matter, "we the people" or Occupy Whatever's "99%" that's really less than 20%) is what really bugs me about many of the left wing movements. Want to change the Constitution to fit modern culture? Fine, there's a mechanism provided to do that -- just quit trying to distort language and law in order to present America with "change" as a fait accompli.

[BlasterBob]

OK... Now after reading all these opinions, I believe just I'll go over to Chick-fil-a for a nice chicken sandwich and follow it up with a nice cake from that recently made famous cake making place in the Denver metro area......
I guess my being 75 years old kinda influences my view of this rather unimportant matter.

[SA Friday]

A bit of derailment, but occasionally the gay rights movement helps hetero people as well. For example, when I started my business I wasn't sure what to do about health insurance. Come to find out my now wife's company (not wife at the time) had benefits offered for "Domestic partners". Due to equal opportunity, they couldn't offer that only to gay, non married couples. So, after showing we lived together, shared a bank account (which we opened for that purpose) and had an xcel bill together, BAM!! I'm eligible for coverage under her employer plan.

It is post tax deductions for that coverage, and it is now pre-tax since we are married and the tax code allows married people to do healthcare pre-tax. But post tax coverage was better than none or independent coverage plans.

Again sorry to derail, but there are times when the pro-gay movement can help people who are hetero as well.

Not a derailment at all, its the original question of the thread. Ironically, short of taxes, I think we've pretty much established through pages of posts that short of tax breaks the difference is PURELY based on religious beliefs originating over 2000 years ago and rife with contradiction.

[tmckay2]

I don't think many here, or anywhere, are arguing their religious beliefs should be grounds for law. However, the people who do claim that just happen to be obnoxiously loud which is why it seems they have a bigger following than they do. Again, government shouldn't even be involved in marriage. Just let people do what they want and don't give any benefits or breaks to anyone.

Ok, I've given this some thought and have devised the end all be all point to this whole thing.

Show of hands, who here thinks America should be under Sharia Law? I see none, great. So with that in mind, do you think it would be beneficial to deny people something based on a religious belief via the law? How is Christian-inspired law any different from Sharia law? When you legislate religious morals you step into the mud of tyranny- that's an idea introduced by Thomas Jefferson (I don't know the exact quote so I paraphrased it). There are religious ideas that clash with each other, look at Hindi vs Judaism, one says cows are sacred, the other says don't eat pork- but then you have the Protestants that can eat both, and then they go home and have a little fireman time, but oops, the Catholics get riled up because "every seed is sacred." See the conflict? Best to keep religion out of my government and my government out of religion.

[Irving]

Does a general durable power of attorney work both ways? What if the power of attorney gets sick? Don't you have to give up some sort of rights when you sign over power of attorney, or have to be handicapped in some way? Generally poa is asigned when someone is unable to handle their own aFfairs. How then, ey ble to handle the affairs of others if they can't handle their own? Want to see a serious divorce disaster? Get two people going through a bitter "divorce" who hold each other's power of attorney. Finally, does holding someone's power of attorney mean you are entitled to their social security after they die like a marriage?

[rutz777]