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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridge View Post
    He's totally boning that turkey
    And happy as shit about it too!!

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    MA can get rid of their draconian law simply by electing a new slate of legislators and a new governor. Isn't that what we're trying to do now at the federal level (aside from the die hard libtards that will vote for anything under the donkey and the die hards that will vote third party or not vote at all because Romney isn't ______ enough)?

    We got the AWB before precisely because Perot and his supporters threw a tantrum -- Bill Clinton never got a majority of the popular vote. You're throwing a fit because Romney did what his constituents in Taxachusetts wanted even though he says he wouldn't do that at the federal level and you KNOW Obama wants to do that and more. That just doesn't make much sense in my book.

    In an aside, I disagree with Rucker61 a lot but will have to give him his due in the preceding debate. The US is a net importer of petroleum but net exporter of gasoline and diesel. Distribution of refineries is why Iraq was awash in a sea of oil but couldn't get refined fuel to run their vehicles and generators.

    One thing that helps us a little is the fact that most of the world wants diesel more than gasoline so we have had reductions in the price of gas in the past simply because the refineries were ramping up production of diesel to meet world demand and had a temporary surplus in gasoline as a result.

    However, Ronin is correct that oil company profits are roughly 5% (or less) of the gross price so the federal government actually makes more per gallon than the oil company does (and the state gets even more!). Overall oil company profits are up in part because they have diversified and raked in huge profits from federal expeditures to promote "alternative" energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    However, Ronin is correct that oil company profits are roughly 5% (or less) of the gross price so the federal government actually makes more per gallon than the oil company does (and the state gets even more!). Overall oil company profits are up in part because they have diversified and raked in huge profits from federal expeditures to promote "alternative" energy.
    I saw a report that in 2011, Exxon reported about an 8% profit world-wide, and much less than that in the US. Small wonder that they like to export. Given that nearly all levels of government are in a budget crunch, it's highly unlikely that the tax on gasoline and diesel will be reduced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    Isn't that what we're trying to do now at the federal level (aside from the die hard libtards that will vote for anything under the donkey and the die hards that will vote third party or not vote at all because Romney isn't ______ enough)?
    Isn't that exactly what the people on here voting for Romney are doing??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridge View Post
    Isn't that exactly what the people on here voting for Romney are doing??
    Oh Snap! Lets not start another "blame the libertarians if Obama gets reelected" bitch fest...
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    I think Ridge's point is: "Why would you want to vote someone into Federal Government, when you disagree what they have done at the state level?"

    To further that point, Sharpie noted that he felt Romney only did those things to please his constituants. So we need ask ourselves, how comfortable are we that WE will be the constituants that Romney decides to appease, and not everyone else?
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    I really can't stand the thought of voting for either of the options in November. I'll vote, but it won't be a choice I'm proud of, regardless of the candidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatidua View Post
    I really can't stand the thought of voting for either of the options in November. I'll vote, but it won't be a choice I'm proud of, regardless of the candidate.
    As long as it works for getting the Bummer dude out!

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    It is pretty clear (to me at least) that Beeho will be very bad for the 2nd Amendment if re-elected. We already know he supports the UN "small arms treaty" - and it didn't have the senate support it needed, recently. He has told the Brady bunch that he will get gun control enacted "under the radar". Then there is fast and furious, and some of the justice dept emails that tie the operation to calls for further gun control. He has also said he favors reinstatement of the AWB. So very clear to me what he intends to do. Then add in behavior like telling Medvedev of Russia to tell Putin he will have more flexibility after the election and his unconstitutional executive orders and it seems to me he may possibly go that route, regardless of consequences.

    While Romney doesn't have a stellar 2A record as governor, he has explained that as the wish of the voters. Given that Mass has remained a somewhat gun-unfriendly state after he was governor, I'm inclined to accept that. Ryan is a pretty staunch 2A supporter and appears so far to have a consistent record of support.

    I think that on balance Romney/Ryan would be more pro-2A than Beeho/Biden.

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    I like Paul Ryan. I've had my eye on him for a while. I remember watching this one round table with the president where he went off on him. You could just see the president snarling under his breath about what Paul was saying. It was great!

    Just a little non-partisan data on the unemployment rate over the last 10 years...
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