Now arrest them!

[10mm-man]

For an interesting read regarding how Americans are losing control of our own country (and other countries are losing control of theirs) check out

America Alone - Mark Steyn

Maybe you can give us a summary?

[Byte Stryke]

I have no problem with young people that were anchor babies or brought over young stepping forward to become legal.
I do not follow the "sins of the father" mentality.

as long as they get a SS# and follow the requirements for a conditional immigration visa.
yes, this means NO Social service, assistance.

[buffalobo]

Another step on the path...

[HoneyBadger]

The decline of the greatest superpower in the history of the world continues. Americans are no longer in control of their own destiny or their own country. Last legitimate American to leave please turn out the lights.

Please don't turn off the lights! I'm not ready yet!

[Pancho Villa]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...on_legislation

We have certainly gone far off the path our founders intended when it comes to immigration.

There have been a number of Immigration Acts in the United States, but the first restriction on immigration did not occur until 1875. Prior to that point, immigration was distinct from citizenship and naturalization.

Somehow the Union survived with a % of foreign-born residents higher than it is now.

Fun fact: before 1906, knowing english was not a requirement of citizenship. I thought that was kind of funny considering how butthurt conservatives get over the issue, one that the Founders and 5 generations after them seemed to think was not worth bothering over.

If conservatives think that they can hide from the world labor markets, they are deluding themselves. Immigration restrictions work to "help America" the same way minimum wage laws and various other regulations do; ie, they hurt America significantly. Again, that isn't economic heresy; go ask any economist of any political bent and he'll tell you.

Edit: Immigration should certainly be distinct from citizenship, as well.

[hollohas]

Maybe you can give us a summary?

I'm only about 1/3rd of the way through. It's all about culture, immigration, population age and being out-bred. Cultures that which largely have contrary beliefs to traditional Americans are out breeding us...by a long shot. And it doesn't take war or major political changes to change a nation...it only takes a particular culture (that doesn't conform to their new country's values) to become 51% of the population.

It has been happening in Europe for a long time (hence the title America Alone) Entire cities are no longer filled with what we would consider traditional Europeans. Partially from immigration, partially from being out-bred.

Not having enough babies also leads to a socialist state because as the population shifts from mostly young to mostly old, more social program are created. Which of course has a profound impact on the economy.

[sniper7]

Send them all back to their native countries and lock the border down.

As we need people to apply for jobs, start businesses, etc, they can apply for citizenship, learn english, prove they carry insurance if they own a vehicle, register that vehicle with the state they intend to live and work in, get set up to pay taxes and be put on a 5 year temporary green card. Any felonies and they are gone without a chance to come back.

Any of them have current arrest records...they are gone with no chance to apply. We don't need more worthless trash in our country...we already have enough.

And I come from a background that is both legal immigrants from England and Germany on my moms side and Irish and Native American on my Dads side. 1/8 Cherokee Indian so anyone that doesn't like my comments are more than welcome to F off and leave since my ancestors were here in this land LONG LONG LONG before any of you were.

[Ronin13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...on_legislation

We have certainly gone far off the path our founders intended when it comes to immigration.



Somehow the Union survived with a % of foreign-born residents higher than it is now.

Fun fact: before 1906, knowing english was not a requirement of citizenship. I thought that was kind of funny considering how butthurt conservatives get over the issue, one that the Founders and 5 generations after them seemed to think was not worth bothering over.

If conservatives think that they can hide from the world labor markets, they are deluding themselves. Immigration restrictions work to "help America" the same way minimum wage laws and various other regulations do; ie, they hurt America significantly. Again, that isn't economic heresy; go ask any economist of any political bent and he'll tell you.

Edit: Immigration should certainly be distinct from citizenship, as well.

I don't know where you're getting your ideas... The founding fathers didn't have an issue with "press 1 for English, 2 for Spanish." I fail to see how undocumented illegal aliens, working jobs illegally (Keyword here, in case you missed it ILLEGAL- IE: Against the fucking law!) and not paying taxes on their wages, plus their employers not paying taxes on these "employees" helps America in any way. I won't repeat what I said in another thread, but I will say see my analogy about 250 workers, 100 job openings. Are you sure you're not a liberal Pancho? You sure do ignore rational arguments that make a lot of sense, and you do it very well. Comparing minimum wage to immigration is a null and void argument. Apples and Oranges.

But sure, let's let everyone who entered this nation illegally just get a free ride. Hey, while we're at it, you want to come over to my friend's house tonight? His wife spent 2 years and who knows how much money getting her legal citizen status to live here when they moved here from Germany. Spit in her face, she'd love it, because that's what this whole immigration bullshit would be doing. Same with everyone else who did it the right, legal way.

Oh, and please, someone remind me, what fucking language is our constitution, bill of rights, and declaration of independence in? Oh yeah, English. Goes without saying on the whole national language thing.

[flan7211]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...on_legislation

We have certainly gone far off the path our founders intended when it comes to immigration.



Somehow the Union survived with a % of foreign-born residents higher than it is now.

Fun fact: before 1906, knowing english was not a requirement of citizenship. I thought that was kind of funny considering how butthurt conservatives get over the issue, one that the Founders and 5 generations after them seemed to think was not worth bothering over.

If conservatives think that they can hide from the world labor markets, they are deluding themselves. Immigration restrictions work to "help America" the same way minimum wage laws and various other regulations do; ie, they hurt America significantly. Again, that isn't economic heresy; go ask any economist of any political bent and he'll tell you.

Edit: Immigration should certainly be distinct from citizenship, as well.

Ok I can't take this anymore. The 5 generations after the founding fathers also had a preference for white northern Europeans. Your pie in the sky economic views are what an economic majors dreams are made of. Employers love immigration because it cheapens the cost of labor. Numbers aren't bad but when cheap goods or cheap labor enter a complicated workforce it hurts workers. When the labor market is low it drives wages up because your labor is worth more. People have children, reasonable immigration takes place. Bigger projects and companies grow from bigger numbers, but it is slow and makes progress. These people are economic invaders because the steal jobs from the poorest people then we have to care for both parties through welfare and handouts. They also cause wages to decrease.

Also since not everything comes to economics what of culture? Assimilation is key here my friend. See in past generations people eventually belly up and assimilate. You know why? Geography, the ocean is a barrier where you don't return home. You become part of the land. With our friends south of the border they are sucking money and sending it down south. They do not intend to become Americans. Just as Texans did to mexico so many years ago. They think this is ultimately their land. No it is time for them to go. They don't want to become Americans. They are economic raiders and vampires.

[10mm-man]

Send them all back to their native countries and lock the border down.

As we need people to apply for jobs, start businesses, etc, they can apply for citizenship, learn english, prove they carry insurance if they own a vehicle, register that vehicle with the state they intend to live and work in, get set up to pay taxes and be put on a 5 year temporary green card. Any felonies and they are gone without a chance to come back.

Any of them have current arrest records...they are gone with no chance to apply. We don't need more worthless trash in our country...we already have enough.

And I come from a background that is both legal immigrants from England and Germany on my moms side and Irish and Native American on my Dads side. 1/8 Cherokee Indian so anyone that doesn't like my comments are more than welcome to F off and leave since my ancestors were here in this land LONG LONG LONG before any of you were.

^^^ (2 post above)Sounds like we have similar backgrounds.... I concur!