Now arrest them!

[flan7211]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...on_legislation

We have certainly gone far off the path our founders intended when it comes to immigration.



Somehow the Union survived with a % of foreign-born residents higher than it is now.

Fun fact: before 1906, knowing english was not a requirement of citizenship. I thought that was kind of funny considering how butthurt conservatives get over the issue, one that the Founders and 5 generations after them seemed to think was not worth bothering over.

If conservatives think that they can hide from the world labor markets, they are deluding themselves. Immigration restrictions work to "help America" the same way minimum wage laws and various other regulations do; ie, they hurt America significantly. Again, that isn't economic heresy; go ask any economist of any political bent and he'll tell you.

Edit: Immigration should certainly be distinct from citizenship, as well.

Ok I can't take this anymore. The 5 generations after the founding fathers also had a preference for white northern Europeans. Your pie in the sky economic views are what an economic majors dreams are made of. Employers love immigration because it cheapens the cost of labor. Numbers aren't bad but when cheap goods or cheap labor enter a complicated workforce it hurts workers. When the labor market is low it drives wages up because your labor is worth more. People have children, reasonable immigration takes place. Bigger projects and companies grow from bigger numbers, but it is slow and makes progress. These people are economic invaders because the steal jobs from the poorest people then we have to care for both parties through welfare and handouts. They also cause wages to decrease.

Also since not everything comes to economics what of culture? Assimilation is key here my friend. See in past generations people eventually belly up and assimilate. You know why? Geography, the ocean is a barrier where you don't return home. You become part of the land. With our friends south of the border they are sucking money and sending it down south. They do not intend to become Americans. Just as Texans did to mexico so many years ago. They think this is ultimately their land. No it is time for them to go. They don't want to become Americans. They are economic raiders and vampires.

[10mm-man]

Ok I can't take this anymore. The 5 generations after the founding fathers also had a preference for white northern Europeans. Your pie in the sky economic views are what an economic majors dreams are made of. Employers love immigration because it cheapens the cost of labor. Numbers aren't bad but when cheap goods or cheap labor enter a complicated workforce it hurts workers. When the labor market is low it drives wages up because your labor is worth more. People have children, reasonable immigration takes place. Bigger projects and companies grow from bigger numbers, but it is slow and makes progress. These people are economic invaders because the steal jobs from the poorest people then we have to care for both parties through welfare and handouts. They also cause wages to decrease.

Also since not everything comes to economics what of culture? Assimilation is key here my friend. See in past generations people eventually belly up and assimilate. You know why? Geography, the ocean is a barrier where you don't return home. You become part of the land. With our friends south of the border they are sucking money and sending it down south. They do not intend to become Americans. Just as Texans did to mexico so many years ago. They think this is ultimately their land. No it is time for them to go. They don't want to become Americans. They are economic raiders and vampires.

Don't narrow it to South of the border- Russians, Canadians and others do the same!

[flan7211]

Don't narrow it to South of the border- Russians, Canadians and others do the same!

Ok Canadians aren't flooding to get down here, and in 30 years your kids will not be speaking Russian. Its not an ethnic thing it is a geography thing. Mexico would be a regional power if they weren't next to us. Reality is what it is. We're being invaded by immigrants that don't want America they want her riches.

[10mm-man]

Ok Canadians aren't flooding to get down here, and in 30 years your kids will not be speaking Russian. Its not an ethnic thing it is a geography thing. Mexico would be a regional power if they weren't next to us. Reality is what it is. We're being invaded by immigrants that don't want America they want her riches.

While 58% of it is the majority you need to state some facts in your argument instead of generalities. I agree Mexico is the biggest influx because it is easy to cross into America but they are all doing it....

Actually in 30 years (actually sooner) it is estimated that they will be speaking Manderin... (That might be a broad generalization, like yours)

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201..._131142379.htm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41371038.../#.UC1g6N1mTa4

[flan7211]

While 58% of it is the majority you need to state some facts in your argument instead of generalities. I agree Mexico is the biggest influx because it is easy to cross into America but they are all doing it....

Actually in 30 years (actually sooner) it is estimated that they will be speaking Manderin... (That might be a broad generalization, like yours)

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201..._131142379.htm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41371038.../#.UC1g6N1mTa4

If you prefer me to get sources and biblio I will, but sense I'm arguing with Pancho's generalities mine will suffice for now. Also don't blame just Mexico the central Americas are coming in hot.

[10mm-man]

If you prefer me to get sources and biblio but sense I'm arguing with Pancho's generalities mine will suffice for now.

Well then you both can be wrong in your facts! But you both should actually start quoting facts......

Either way we have a big F'n problem and the biggest majority is from Mexico agreed.

[Jumpstart]

Don't narrow it to South of the border- Russians, Canadians and others do the same!

Sure, but not by the multi-millions day after day, year after year, decade upon decade.

[Ronin13]

Sure, but not by the multi-millions day after day, year after year, decade upon decade.

Don't forget the other part (and how we're not at war because of this is just beyond me):
Armed, uniformed, soldiers from the Mexican Army, escorting border crossing people/drug smugglers. If armed, uniformed soldiers from Turkey started smuggling drugs into Iran (with or without their government's knowledge or support) there would be an international incident. But we just brush it off, even after a few CBP agents get injured and killed.

[Ronin13]

Ok I can't take this anymore. The 5 generations after the founding fathers also had a preference for white northern Europeans. Your pie in the sky economic views are what an economic majors dreams are made of. Employers love immigration because it cheapens the cost of labor. Numbers aren't bad but when cheap goods or cheap labor enter a complicated workforce it hurts workers. When the labor market is low it drives wages up because your labor is worth more. People have children, reasonable immigration takes place. Bigger projects and companies grow from bigger numbers, but it is slow and makes progress. These people are economic invaders because the steal jobs from the poorest people then we have to care for both parties through welfare and handouts. They also cause wages to decrease.

Also since not everything comes to economics what of culture? Assimilation is key here my friend. See in past generations people eventually belly up and assimilate. You know why? Geography, the ocean is a barrier where you don't return home. You become part of the land. With our friends south of the border they are sucking money and sending it down south. They do not intend to become Americans. Just as Texans did to mexico so many years ago. They think this is ultimately their land. No it is time for them to go. They don't want to become Americans. They are economic raiders and vampires.

THIS! +1,000,000! I forgot about that point. Drive anywhere North of I-70 on Federal, I see more Mexican flags than I do American. And on Colfax for about a mile west of I-25- 2/3 signs are in Spanish. Assimilation= not happening here.

[waxthis]

No offence Pancho, but your Immigration views are well documented Here. I for one disagree with most of what you have to say, that being said, I respect your right to speak your mind. I think however you’re preaching to the wrong choir, and are close to starting a shit storm.