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    Quote Originally Posted by flan7211 View Post
    Ok I can't take this anymore. The 5 generations after the founding fathers also had a preference for white northern Europeans. Your pie in the sky economic views are what an economic majors dreams are made of. Employers love immigration because it cheapens the cost of labor. Numbers aren't bad but when cheap goods or cheap labor enter a complicated workforce it hurts workers. When the labor market is low it drives wages up because your labor is worth more. People have children, reasonable immigration takes place. Bigger projects and companies grow from bigger numbers, but it is slow and makes progress. These people are economic invaders because the steal jobs from the poorest people then we have to care for both parties through welfare and handouts. They also cause wages to decrease.

    Also since not everything comes to economics what of culture? Assimilation is key here my friend. See in past generations people eventually belly up and assimilate. You know why? Geography, the ocean is a barrier where you don't return home. You become part of the land. With our friends south of the border they are sucking money and sending it down south. They do not intend to become Americans. Just as Texans did to mexico so many years ago. They think this is ultimately their land. No it is time for them to go. They don't want to become Americans. They are economic raiders and vampires.
    Don't narrow it to South of the border- Russians, Canadians and others do the same!

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    Interesting bit of info about the history of the United States:

    The United States exists in two forms: The original United States that was in operation until 1860; a collection of sovereign Republics in the union. Under the original Constitution the States controlled the Federal Government; the Federal Government did not control the States and had limited authority.

    The original United States has been usurped by a separate and different UNITED STATES formed in 1871, which only controls the District of Columbia and it’s territories, and which is actually a corporation (the UNITED STATES CORPORATION) that acts as our current government. The United States Corporation operates under Corporate/Commercial Law rather than Common/Private Law.

    The original Constitution was never removed; it has simply been dormant since 1871. It is still intact to this day. This fact was made clear by Supreme Court Justice Marshall Harlan (Downes v. Bidwell, 182, U.S. 244 1901) by giving the following dissenting opinion: “Two national governments exist; one to be maintained under the Constitution, with all its restrictions; the other to be maintained by Congress outside and Independently of that Instrument.”

    The Restore America Plan reclaimed the de jure institutions of government of the 50 State Republics in order to restore Common Law that represents the voice of the people and ends Corporate Law that ignores the voice of the people while operating under Maritime/Admiralty/International Law. This occurred when warrants were delivered to all 50 Governors on March 30, 2010. The Governors refused to return to the de jure Constitutional Republican form of governance. We the People then elected officers and legislators to fill the vacant seats that were abandoned in 1871.

    The rewritten 1871 Constitution of the UNITED STATES CORPORATION bypasses the original Constitution for the United States of America, which explains why our Congressmen and Senators don’t abide by it, and the President (CEO) can write Executive Orders to do whatever he/she wants. They are following corporate laws that completely strip sovereigns of their God given unalienable rights. Corporate/Commercial Law is not sovereign (private), as it is an agreement between two or more parties under contract. Common Law (which sovereigns operate under) is not Commercial Law; it is personal and private.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10mm-man View Post
    Don't narrow it to South of the border- Russians, Canadians and others do the same!
    Ok Canadians aren't flooding to get down here, and in 30 years your kids will not be speaking Russian. Its not an ethnic thing it is a geography thing. Mexico would be a regional power if they weren't next to us. Reality is what it is. We're being invaded by immigrants that don't want America they want her riches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flan7211 View Post
    Ok I can't take this anymore. The 5 generations after the founding fathers also had a preference for white northern Europeans. Your pie in the sky economic views are what an economic majors dreams are made of. Employers love immigration because it cheapens the cost of labor. Numbers aren't bad but when cheap goods or cheap labor enter a complicated workforce it hurts workers. When the labor market is low it drives wages up because your labor is worth more. People have children, reasonable immigration takes place. Bigger projects and companies grow from bigger numbers, but it is slow and makes progress. These people are economic invaders because the steal jobs from the poorest people then we have to care for both parties through welfare and handouts. They also cause wages to decrease.

    Also since not everything comes to economics what of culture? Assimilation is key here my friend. See in past generations people eventually belly up and assimilate. You know why? Geography, the ocean is a barrier where you don't return home. You become part of the land. With our friends south of the border they are sucking money and sending it down south. They do not intend to become Americans. Just as Texans did to mexico so many years ago. They think this is ultimately their land. No it is time for them to go. They don't want to become Americans. They are economic raiders and vampires.
    THIS! +1,000,000! I forgot about that point. Drive anywhere North of I-70 on Federal, I see more Mexican flags than I do American. And on Colfax for about a mile west of I-25- 2/3 signs are in Spanish. Assimilation= not happening here.
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    No offence Pancho, but your Immigration views are well documented Here. I for one disagree with most of what you have to say, that being said, I respect your right to speak your mind. I think however you’re preaching to the wrong choir, and are close to starting a shit storm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 10mm-man View Post
    Don't narrow it to South of the border- Russians, Canadians and others do the same!
    Sure, but not by the multi-millions day after day, year after year, decade upon decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumpstart View Post
    Sure, but not by the multi-millions day after day, year after year, decade upon decade.
    Don't forget the other part (and how we're not at war because of this is just beyond me):
    Armed, uniformed, soldiers from the Mexican Army, escorting border crossing people/drug smugglers. If armed, uniformed soldiers from Turkey started smuggling drugs into Iran (with or without their government's knowledge or support) there would be an international incident. But we just brush it off, even after a few CBP agents get injured and killed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flan7211 View Post
    Ok Canadians aren't flooding to get down here, and in 30 years your kids will not be speaking Russian. Its not an ethnic thing it is a geography thing. Mexico would be a regional power if they weren't next to us. Reality is what it is. We're being invaded by immigrants that don't want America they want her riches.
    While 58% of it is the majority you need to state some facts in your argument instead of generalities. I agree Mexico is the biggest influx because it is easy to cross into America but they are all doing it....

    Actually in 30 years (actually sooner) it is estimated that they will be speaking Manderin... (That might be a broad generalization, like yours)

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201..._131142379.htm

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41371038.../#.UC1g6N1mTa4

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    Quote Originally Posted by 10mm-man View Post
    While 58% of it is the majority you need to state some facts in your argument instead of generalities. I agree Mexico is the biggest influx because it is easy to cross into America but they are all doing it....

    Actually in 30 years (actually sooner) it is estimated that they will be speaking Manderin... (That might be a broad generalization, like yours)

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201..._131142379.htm

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41371038.../#.UC1g6N1mTa4
    If you prefer me to get sources and biblio I will, but sense I'm arguing with Pancho's generalities mine will suffice for now. Also don't blame just Mexico the central Americas are coming in hot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flan7211 View Post
    If you prefer me to get sources and biblio but sense I'm arguing with Pancho's generalities mine will suffice for now.
    Well then you both can be wrong in your facts! But you both should actually start quoting facts......

    Either way we have a big F'n problem and the biggest majority is from Mexico agreed.

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