Man shot over 30 times.

[10mm-man]

Snipers of course are an exception to this.

One shot-one neutralized threat! Yea, doesn't quite fit....

[HoneyBadger]

Unless I'm seeing it wrong, it looks to me like the guy was walking away from the cops when then opened fire. As far as I can tell, nobody's life was in danger at that moment. It certainly did not look like he was "advancing on the officers" so I really wonder what caused them to start shooting.

Not passing any judgement here because I wasn't there and that amateur video probably doesn't reveal everything that was going on that day.

Also, maybe this is SOP, but after he had obviously been hit about 20 times, one officer just kept dropping rounds on him in a fairly controlled and consistent manner. Just making sure that the guy wasn't going to get up? Jittery on the trigger? SOP to empty the mag? Family said he had mental problems, which could have been mistaken for drug use I suppose and if someone on PCP was wielding a knife at me, I would empty my whole mag and put in a second one just to be sure. People on drugs have repeatedly not been stopped by a hail of bullets.

[Bailey Guns]

No. You don't aim for a leg (unless that's the only option you have...shooting at a threat from under a car, maybe - think North Hollywood shootout) nor are police trained to "shoot to kill". They're trained to protect themselves by stopping the threat and shooting at center of mass...the largest part of the target that presents itself...because a bigger target is easier to hit than a smaller target.

We only have a small glimpse of the incident through that video. OK...so they fired 46 times. There were probably more than 6 officers there as noted in the video...I counted at least 7. That's about 6.5 rounds per officer.

Probably not an appropriate time for a TASER, either. Beanbags from a 12ga, maybe. But not everyone has those.

[ScooterCO]

No more seat assignments for that frequent flier…

[10mm-man]

Was the dude a midget?

[bigun1962]

You folks that shoot to wound please visit CRS on deadly force. And buy some more liability insurance. Every LEO I know, is trained that a DEADLY FORCE incident will/should produce death. If I pull my gun and shoot it. I am trained to put two center mass and one in the head. Evaluate, look for more threats and possibly cover. If I encounter a knife weilding bandit at 7 yards or less, with my partner the crook had better have at least 6 holes in them. Have a great day guys.

[Bailey Guns]

Nobody said "shoot to wound". Police officers are trained to stop the threat and to use the minimal amount of force necessary to do that.

I doubt there is a LE agency in the state with a policy manual that has in it the phrase, "shoot to kill".

And I know the definition of Deadly Force: Force, the intended, natural and probable consequence of which is to produce death, and which in fact does produce death.

Also sounds like maybe you need to update your training regimen.

[T-Giv]

People are quick to jump the cops' shit about shooting the guy. Funny thing is, if this guy starts running away and then goes and stabs someone, then they die, those cops would have been liable. People would say, "Why didn't you stop the threat and not let him run loose with a deadly weapon?" Lose lose on a lot of these. Maybe if the shitbag would have listened to the very clear and concise orders of the police then he would still be around. He without a doubt heard them and knew what they wanted him to do, but refused to do it. The video said he was involved in a "disturbance" or something with the clerk? What if he brandished the knife to the clerk or told him, "I'm gonna stab you". Who knows. Maybe the call came out that way to the cops because the clerk freaked out so they thought they were dealing with a violent and armed man. Those kind of people don't walk away from Police when they are carrying a deadly weapon. Too many variables in play here, but regardless NO MATTER WHAT the circumstances some POS will say, "Why didn't you shoot him in the finger with a taser so that he could just say ouch and then drop the knife?" Frankly, fuck that.

[Ronin13]

People are quick to jump the cops' shit about shooting the guy. Funny thing is, if this guy starts running away and then goes and stabs someone, then they die, those cops would have been liable. People would say, "Why didn't you stop the threat and not let him run loose with a deadly weapon?" Lose lose on a lot of these. Maybe if the shitbag would have listened to the very clear and concise orders of the police then he would still be around. He without a doubt heard them and knew what they wanted him to do, but refused to do it. The video said he was involved in a "disturbance" or something with the clerk? What if he brandished the knife to the clerk or told him, "I'm gonna stab you". Who knows. Maybe the call came out that way to the cops because the clerk freaked out so they thought they were dealing with a violent and armed man. Those kind of people don't walk away from Police when they are carrying a deadly weapon. Too many variables in play here, but regardless NO MATTER WHAT the circumstances some POS will say, "Why didn't you shoot him in the finger with a taser so that he could just say ouch and then drop the knife?" Frankly, fuck that.

Amen! I've always believed that if a LEO has their weapon drawn you better do exactly what they say, better to fight any wrong doing in court than physically on the street! Also they said this guy had a history. Mama shouldn't be surprised, it was only a matter of time before this guy became another statistic (dead or in jail- happens to repeat offenders).

All these people up in arms about how many rounds were fired, that's their training. I'd rather they shoot one dirtbag guy 50 times and all the cops go home safe, than shoot him a few times, he not stop and kill or injure a cop.

[T-Giv]

Amen! I've always believed that if a LEO has their weapon drawn you better do exactly what they say, better to fight any wrong doing in court than physically on the street! Also they said this guy had a history. Mama shouldn't be surprised, it was only a matter of time before this guy became another statistic (dead or in jail- happens to repeat offenders).

All these people up in arms about how many rounds were fired, that's their training. I'd rather they shoot one dirtbag guy 50 times and all the cops go home safe, than shoot him a few times, he not stop and kill or injure a cop.

I think you and I would get along just dandy...no homo.