Is Ron Paul delusional?

[jmg8550]

What's with the assumption? What I stated in my earlier post is fact. My dad was told this by a Saudi when he was in the Navy and was playing war games with them. This particular Saudi was allowed on a US ship observing how they do things. He was called an infidel because he was not Muslim.
I'm not gonna play the what if game with you. Let's just stick to the facts shall we.

[Teufelhund]

It was a hypothetical for the sake of discussion. My point is it is much easier to gain support for a war if the public believes we're just putting down the monsters.

If you want to deal in absolutes, then your axiom is just dead wrong. I've had several Muslim friends, and none of them tried to convert me or kill me.

[Rooskibar03]

Wrong. The Muslims hate us because we are not MUSLIM! They have a severe hatred for the "western civilization". Always have and always will.

And because we aren't Muslim, we are infidels, it's that simple.

Bingo. Read the writings of these guys and it's say kill the Infidels because they invade our land and steal our oil. They want us dead because we don't conform.

The fight against Islam dates all the way back to "the shores of Tripoli" and I'm pretty sure we weren't occupying them then.

[Ronin13]

It was a hypothetical for the sake of discussion. My point is it is much easier to gain support for a war if the public believes we're just putting down the monsters.

If you want to deal in absolutes, then your axiom is just dead wrong. I've had several Muslim friends, and none of them tried to convert me or kill me.

Not too keen on the Quran are ya?
"When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest enslave."
Surah 47
"They desire that you should be infidels as they are infidels and that ye shall be alike. Take therefore none of them for friends till they have fled their home for the cause of God. If they turn back, then seize them, and SLAY them wherever ye shall find them; but take none of them for friends or helpers." Surah 4:90
"Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows."
Surah 66:2
"Surely the hypocrites strive to deceive Allah. He shall retaliate by deceiving them."
Surah 4:142
"Whomever Allah wants to deceive you cannot help. Allah does not want them to know the truth because he intends to disgrace them and then torture them."
Surah 5:41
"As for the disbelievers, it is the same whether you warn them or not; they will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts, upon their hearing, and a covering over their eyes. There is a great torment for them."
Surah 2:6
"Muhammad bin Maslamah said, 'O Messenger, we shall have to tell lies.' 'Say what you like,' Muhammad replied. 'You are absolved, free to say whatever you must.'"
Ishaq:365

Basically, the Quran allows for Muslims to lie in order to deceive the infidels (that's us). There is even a verse, and I cannot find it, where they are instructed to appear to be friends with the infidels until they are strong enough to overtake and destroy them. Islam is also not a peaceful word- it means "Submit" or "to submit" and Muslim translates to "he who submits." I'm sorry, but I don't submit.

[hatidua]

Deuteronomy 17. Pretty much all those old fundamentalist books called for death to non-believers, the Quran isn't even slightly unique in that regard.

[Teufelhund]

I've read it from cover to cover, thank you. I've also read the Christian Bible from cover to cover, but I doubt anyone wants to talk about how violent that one is.

Do all Christians follow the Old Testament word for word?

[Ronin13]

I'll throw out the caveat that I'm not religious... too hypocritical, every last one of them.

[roberth]

Is Ron Paul delusional?

Maybe.

He consistently fails to understand the nature of Islamic Jihad and its followers. 9/11 or an event like it was inevitable, just like a repeat is inevitable. Ron is just showing us his ignorance of foreign affairs.

[10mm-man]

Basically, the Quran allows for Muslims to lie in order to deceive the infidels (that's us).

I am not up on the Quran, so don't take this wrong. Could you tell me were it says that we (Americans) are the Infidels the Quran talks about? I am not up on it, so I don't know. I have heard of people referring about us being Infidels but not sure were it came from. Thanks!

[10mm-man]

I'll throw out the caveat that I'm not religious... too hypocritical, every last one of them.

^^^^ Agreed!