Is Ron Paul delusional?

[roberth]

I am not up on the Quran, so don't take this wrong. Could you tell me were it says that we (Americans) are the Infidels the Quran talks about? I am not up on it, so I don't know. I have heard of people referring about us being Infidels but not sure were it came from. Thanks!

I'm not up on it either but I do know the important parts. If you are not a Muslim then you are an infidel. One of the basic tenets of Islam is "convert or die" and if you look through history you will see overwhelming evidence of that tenet.

http://infidelsarecool.com/2006/12/o...evidence-of-i/

Alot of muslims are moderate, that is they do not participate in jihad nor do they openly support jihad. OTOH they do not denounce jihad either, I have determined for myself that their silence means they are complicit with jihad.

I'm sure someone will bring up the occasional Christian nutbar who murders an abortion doctor so I will beat you to it. Christians organizations will rise up and denounce this act, violence is simply not how Christianity works today and it is not something most Christians want to be known for. There is absolutely no comparison to Islam with either Christianity or Judaism. Christianity and Judaism celebrate life, Islam celebrates death.

Islam wants to convert you and they'll do anything to gain that conversion, intimidation is big with Islam. Why do you think 80% of the Muslims won't come out and denounce Jihad? Because some of their fellow Islamists will KILL them if they speak out against Jihad.

[Ronin13]

I am not up on the Quran, so don't take this wrong. Could you tell me were it says that we (Americans) are the Infidels the Quran talks about? I am not up on it, so I don't know. I have heard of people referring about us being Infidels but not sure were it came from. Thanks!

By definition- and I'll break it down:
Infidel: (early part of Mohammad's lifetime) A person not of the book (to mean Quran, Bible and Torah).
Infidel: (later part of Mohammad's lifetime, and most common definition) A non-believer aka non-Muslim.
Basically, it began as anyone who didn't believe in God (to which Islam, Christianity and Judaism all supposedly worship the same God). But Infidel, in Arabic means non-believer, to which was redefined by the majority of Islamic leaders as meaning "one who does not submit to the will of God and recognize Mohammad as his prophet."

[Ronin13]

I'm not up on it either but I do know the important parts. If you are not a Muslim then you are an infidel. One of the basic tenets of Islam is "convert or die" and if you look through history you will see overwhelming evidence of that tenet.

http://infidelsarecool.com/2006/12/o...evidence-of-i/

Alot of muslims are moderate, that is they do not participate in jihad nor do they openly support jihad. OTOH they do not denounce jihad either, I have determined for myself that their silence means they are complicit with jihad.

I'm sure someone will bring up the occasional Christian nutbar who murders an abortion doctor so I will beat you to it. Christians organizations will rise up and denounce this act, violence is simply not how Christianity works today and it is not something most Christians want to be known for. There is absolutely no comparison to Islam with either Christianity or Judaism. Christianity and Judaism celebrate life, Islam celebrates death.

Islam wants to convert you and they'll do anything to gain that conversion, intimidation is big with Islam. Why do you think 80% of the Muslims won't come out and denounce Jihad? Because some of their fellow Islamists will KILL them if they speak out against Jihad.

I will say this about the difference between the two, as I've learned about religion, hence why I cannot support or subscribe to any:
Islam- Preaches hate, intolerance, deception, and spreading of their religion. The Quran, if read from the early years of Mohammad, to later, steadily gets more and more violent, evil, and hateful. He started as a peaceful man, preaching tolerance and peace among the three religions (Islam, Christianity and Judaism). As he became a more and more powerful and well known man, even into later years as he became a warlord and conqueror, he began to denounce the other religions and stopped seeing them as worshiping the same God. That's where the Sword Verse comes in, and the correlation between non-believers (non-Muslims) and snakes, and how they must be destroyed.

Christianity- in it's modern form, meaning post-Christ era, uses lessons from the Old Testament (Torah) but expounds upon the peaceful Gandhi-like teachings of Christ as a more "updated" stance by God. Since Jesus died for "our" sins (I use our loosely because, again, I don't follow any religious belief) the old ways were the "old God"- before forgiveness- and now his son preaches for us to be peaceable, tolerant, and giving.

Islam, these days, and throughout history, has believed that any slight against a Muslim is a slight against the entire religion. True, they do not all participate in Jihad, but they don't renounce. Christianity, as a whole, denounces violence against the innocent and does not support radical or fanatical views and openly denounces their use. Mainstream Islam does not support the radical views, but fails to denounce a "jihad against the west."

[bryjcom]

I see I'm a little late to the party.....

I find it incredibly arrogant to think that we can go around the world and do as we please and not expect retaliation.

Muslims may hold us in contempt for not being muslim but they are also incited due to our foreign policy.

[jmg8550]

Blah Blah Blah... got anymore paulbot talking points? We bombed Germany and Japan into oblivion, you see them retaliating recently? They too have reasons to hate us. Vietnam has reasons to hate us, I could keep naming countries. It seems that only the Muslim Extremist nations are the only ones "retaliating" as you put it.

[stevelkinevil]

You folks are delusional if you think these unnecessary foreign conquests are worth one more of our sons lives. But sure keep sacrificing your sons in order to make certain people wealthy, while your at it keep crapping on the founding fathers ideas and attempting to trade your personal liberties for supposed safety, after all gotta stop all those pesky terrorists right? especially the ones in the guise of your friends and neighbors.

[bryjcom]

I truly believe that our kids and grandkids will look back at this time and say, "What were they thinking"

[roberth]

Well we're going to fight the jihadis, there is no way around it. Their philosophy is the opposite of our constitution. Their philosophy demands that they fight whether their opposition wants to or not. If we don't take it to them, they'll take it to us. This is a fact that some of you refuse to acknowledge.

The only question is where we're going to fight this war. Right now the war is being physically fought in Afghanistan, among other places. Do not forget that there are Imans here in this country doing recruiting right now under the guise of teaching Islam. Do not forget that they are trying to incrementally supplant/replace our code of justice with Sharia. We'll end up fighting it here too, not next year, maybe not this decade, but we'll fight it here on American soil.

[Teufelhund]

Islam has been around since about the 600s. I can't find reference to a Muslim attack on American soil prior to 1972. So are you saying they ignored their "philosophy which dictates they bring the fight to us" for the first 200 years America existed, or did it just take their boat that long to get here?

[bryjcom]

Blah Blah Blah... got anymore paulbot talking points? We bombed Germany and Japan into oblivion, you see them retaliating recently? They too have reasons to hate us. Vietnam has reasons to hate us, I could keep naming countries. It seems that only the Muslim Extremist nations are the only ones "retaliating" as you put it.

You and I are friends so please don't take this personal.

Assuming your proposition is correct, that muslims hate us and want to kill us for simply not being muslim, you will logically come to the conclusion that we will have to wipe out the entire religion.

If your gonna do it, then do it right. Nuke the bastards. That's right....Drop nuclear warheads on all their major cities and surrounding areas until they are basically wiped out. Its the only way. The way we're doing it now, we will never out kill the birth rate of a billion muslims. We will spend all our treasures and loose our children and children's children in an endless war. Can't do it. Won't ever do it even if we deployed 3,4, maybe 5 times the troops there. We simply can't beat their birth rate

So, I want you to say it to the world. I want you right here on this forum to openly advocate the nuclear bombing of all the muslim cities and nations for the sole purpose of wiping out a religion.

Its the only way to win against what you believe is true.