Quote Originally Posted by tmckay2 View Post
first, ..... I didn't actually read what you said, so I'm going to accuse you of the same things....
I was hoping you would post a thoughtful rebuttal, but it seems you just parroted the same thing about Ron Paul running as a third party candidate and effectively reelecting Obama. As I have already said, multiple times now, Ron Paul will not run as a third party candidate. How many more times do I need to say it? What party would he run under? The Ron Paul party? The Libertarian Party already has Gary Johnson, but that is beside the point. Ron Paul will not run as a third party candidate. If I somehow turn out to be wrong, I will eat my humble pie and apologize.

I didn't make a thesis, but if you'd like one, then here it is: the majority of your original points are invalid because they are simply not true.

Obama has a Facebook page with 30k likes
whoop de do. I was talking about people crossing the party lines. Besides, when 70% of Obama's Twitter followers are imaginary, it's foolish to trust that his facebook followers aren't.

After 4 years in Colorado, the military moved me to California. I just returned to Colorado this past April and from San Francisco to Los Angeles, there are many thousands of California liberals and democrats who support Ron Paul. This is the evidence I saw with my own eyes. If you have better primary source evidence to the contrary, please present it. If not, then please be willing to accept that your world is not the entire real world and that outside of your world, many liberal Ron Paul supporters exist.

I absolutely do think that Obama is "trying to morph this country into something different," and I disapprove of it as much as anyone else here, but my point in bringing up President Bush's actions demonstrates that the Republican Party as it stands today is capable of inflicting just as much harm. Furthermore, their disgraceful actions at the RNC ostracizing Ron Paul clearly showed that they do not want to incorporate his ideas and his principled ways into the party, thereby splitting their own vote and clearly demonstrating that they are not just capable of the same level of harm that liberals have been inflicting on america, but also fully willing to continue on that path.

Irrefutable? You know what else is irrefutable? Global warming. Keyenesian economics. Evolution. Point being: nothing is irrefutable.

You say it's "not a matter of virtue, it's a matter of being rational". Reason is by nature virtuous.