How mature are the Gas Piston AR-15 systems?

[kidicarus13]

Naval Institute read...


http://www.usni.org/magazines/procee...happened-wanat


PS. Stag arms is same as CMMG when it comes to gas piston systems. Argue all you want, hot gas back to the chamber area is not good.

DI is "mil-spec" and there are a lot of people that will argue that DI is better until the day they die ...or the US military adopts the piston system, whichever comes first.

Ever heard someone say, "If the piston system was better, Eugene Stoner would have made the original with it." Please... the military foot soldiers do not always have the best weapons available, just the most inexpensive that meets their standards.

[Skully]

DI is "mil-spec" and there are a lot of people that will argue that DI is better until the day they die ...or the US military adopts the piston system, whichever comes first.

Ever heard someone say, "If the piston system was better, Eugene Stoner would have made the original with it." Please... the military foot soldiers do not always have the best weapons available, just the most inexpensive that meets their standards.

I agree everything can be improved in time, hell maybe Mr. Stoner would have done a piston system instead of DI now, what ifs????

Upgrading the system to piston is cool but there is too many different versions to do it. Parts are specific to the manufactures' kits. That makes me nervous to find parts in 10 years, which is why I haven't jumped on board the piston revolution. With the proper care and maintenance the DI system works..........

[Mick-Boy]

Naval Institute read...


http://www.usni.org/magazines/procee...happened-wanat

The biggest thing people can learn about weapons from what happened at Kahler is that they NEED TO BE WET. Piston guns wouldn't have helped them. Those kids were firing high volumes of ammunition through dry guns. Of course they're going to choke.

That bullshit barracks story about not lubing you rifle in the desert causes so many weapons problems I want to throat punch anyone I hear repeat it.

[pepito]

The biggest thing people can learn about weapons from what happened at Kahler is that they NEED TO BE WET. Piston guns wouldn't have helped them. Those kids were firing high volumes of ammunition through dry guns. Of course they're going to choke.

That bullshit barracks story about not lubing you rifle in the desert causes so many weapons problems I want to throat punch anyone I hear repeat it.

+1 on the Lube comment.

Piston rifles run much cooler and cleaner than their DI counterpart. From my experience, the lubrication on piston systems tend to last a lot longer than in traditional gas systems. I was very hesitant at first on the piston systems what with the added moving parts and weight, but my personal preference leans towards the piston simple due to lack of stoppages.

[TheBelly]

The biggest thing people can learn about weapons from what happened at Kahler is that they NEED TO BE WET. Piston guns wouldn't have helped them. Those kids were firing high volumes of ammunition through dry guns. Of course they're going to choke.

That bullshit barracks story about not lubing you rifle in the desert causes so many weapons problems I want to throat punch anyone I hear repeat it.

fully agree here. All that's required to keep the rifles running is a heavy dose of ye-olde-gun-lube.

The ORIGINAL M16s that were fielded (without cleaning kits and without chrome lined barrels, IIRC) were touted as not needing to be lubed. The failures then have caused an almost-half-decade of love/hate for the DI ARs.

It's a machine, so keep it wet.

Also, if Mick gets to throat punch, I get to C*** Punt.

[Mick-Boy]

To answer the OPs question: I would recommend sticking with a quality DI gun. You'll get more for your money with an LMT, BCM or Colt than you will with a piston gun. Just keep it lubed.

[Great-Kazoo]

Upgrading the system to piston is cool but there is too many different versions to do it. Parts are specific to the manufactures' kits. That makes me nervous to find parts in 10 years, which is why I haven't jumped on board the piston revolution. With the proper care and maintenance the DI system works..........

If you know a machinist you will be gtg if parts are needed. I have an Adams Arms and outside the gas block i can turn everything else down, on my lathe, and i am far from a "machinist".
There are + & - for a piston system, either you like them or you do not. The nicest thing about both systems, is no one is forcing you to run one or the other, comfort level.

[Hoser]

Piston rifles run much cooler and cleaner than their DI counterpart.

They run just at hot, they just dump the heat in a different place.

[BPTactical]

They run just at hot, they just dump the heat in a different place.

You mean at the front of the forearm? Where your off hand is supposed to go?
What's the problem

[BushMasterBoy]

Interesting report right here. I haven't read it all thoroughly.



http://www.ewp.rpi.edu/hartford/~ern...inalReport.pdf


Cheap politicians should give these outposts these...

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