How's that religion of Peace working??

[Ronin13]

They're at it again...
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...1#.UE-Jp7KPUj9
"Egyptian demonstrators climbed the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo today and pulled down the American flag...
...Reuters reports that protesters tried to raise a black flag carrying the slogan: "There is no god but Allah and Mohammad is his messenger.""

[Great-Kazoo]

It's not the Muslim religion itself we need to shun in the USA, it's the acts in its name that conflict with our laws. Don't allow that line to be crossed and i'm perfectly cool and supportive of their existence here. Tolerance is a requirement of freedom. So is rule of law. It's a fine balance that requires wisdom to sustain.

I would agree with you EXCEPT
The roaring silence after 9/11 , not leaving out the first attempt using a van loaded with explosives domne years prior to that day and up to present day. There has been a serious lack of condemnation from Muslim's here and around the world .
If there was a public outcry i would reconsider, until then they are all in the same rat infested boat.

[FastMan]

I would agree with you EXCEPT
The roaring silence after 9/11 , not leaving out the first attempt using a van loaded with explosives domne years prior to that day and up to present day. There has been a serious lack of condemnation from Muslim's here and around the world .
If there was a public outcry i would reconsider, until then they are all in the same rat infested boat.

I hear ya, Jim. The silence from the Muslim community infuriates me too. At worst, it indicates support of the evil acts by some of them. At best, it shows a major lack of character, possibly propagated out of fear.

Either way, it falls short of action. While in this country we quickly squelch those who's acts directly violate the rights and welfare of others, we simultaneously provide freedom of thought, here in this great country, regardless how distasteful those thoughts may be to some. We also don't outlaw cowardliness, nor require courageousness and speaking out. We respect such courage and character, but don't require it.

You know, I look around and see such personal shortcomings of timidness or inability to think for self in many of my fellow Americans, of all religions, colors or ethnic backgrounds. It's OK with me, I understand the human condition, and that not everyone can rise above the pressures of their environment, to speak out against their friends, family, and peers. They just don't have it in them. They have to depend on those special few who do possess that courage deep within their core to be that singular voice of righteousness to break a path for them to follow.

Still waiting for those special few in the Muslim community to step forward and lead. When they do, I'll have their back, as I'm sure you will too.

[ChunkyMonkey]

When they do, I'll have their back, as I'm sure you will too.

Koran 3:54... http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_the_...#Qur.27an_3:54
Under Koran, the muslims are allowed to lie to the nonbeliever for Allah himself is the best liar.

[FastMan]

Koran 3:54... http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Allah_the_...#Qur.27an_3:54
Under Koran, the muslims are allowed to lie to the nonbeliever for Allah himself is the best liar.

MB888, thanks for the link. The expression "Trust But Verify" comes to mind. Would you be willing to extend that much?

[ChunkyMonkey]

I would agree with you EXCEPT
The roaring silence after 9/11 , not leaving out the first attempt using a van loaded with explosives domne years prior to that day and up to present day. There has been a serious lack of condemnation from Muslim's here and around the world .
If there was a public outcry i would reconsider, until then they are all in the same rat infested boat.

What silence? They were celebrating in middle east and south east asia. In Gaza, they were passing out candies and calling it a new holiday. In Indonesia, they printed tshirts w/ osama bin ladin face and calling him a nabi. Til today the most moderate and largest muslim country in the world, Osama bin ladin is considered a hero. They were chanting osama and obama in 2008 in Jakarta, Indonesia.

So no roaring silence... it's way worse the other way around. They celebrated the attack. Fuck Islam.

[Great-Kazoo]

What silence? They were celebrating in middle east and south east asia. In Gaza, they were passing out candies and calling it a new holiday. In Indonesia, they printed tshirts w/ osama bin ladin face and calling him a nabi. Til today the most moderate and largest muslim country in the world, Osama bin ladin is considered a hero. They were chanting osama and obama in 2008 in Jakarta, Indonesia.

So no roaring silence... it's way worse the other way around. They celebrated the attack. Fuck Islam.

the silence i was referring to was the Lack or condemnation from any Muslim country decrying the attacks. To this day the silence from the muslim world including CAIR and the yahoos up in michigan remains a serious issue.

[ChunkyMonkey]

the silence i was referring to was the Lack or condemnation from any Muslim country decrying the attacks. To this day the silence from the muslim world including CAIR and the yahoos up in michigan remains a serious issue.

I know.. it was a bad sarcasm by me. Instead of condemnation, they celebrated.

[exxonv]

It's not the Muslim religion itself we need to shun in the USA, it's the acts in its name that conflict with our laws. Don't allow that line to be crossed and i'm perfectly cool and supportive of their existence here. Tolerance is a requirement of freedom. So is rule of law. It's a fine balance that requires wisdom to sustain.

Not meaning to be overly dramatic here, but I swore to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I would bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I would obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

I believe in the 1st Amendment (and 2nd J) – what I do not believe in, is being reactive to a group of people who are out to destroy our way of life.

That said, I'd never advocate removal of Muslims from the United States based on their religion. This is a matter of allegiance to the United States of America, loyalty to the Constitution of the United States, and the protection of our Freedom.


Any person or group of people, regardless of faith, gender, sexual orientation, or race, who put our existence at risk by attacking our freedoms and rights, should be targeted as a threat and dealt with accordingly.

Many people of many beliefs have lived, and do live in this great nation of ours, and this is our strength. However, we must always remain vigilant. There are many who would love to see us fall.

[Ronin13]

Not meaning to be overly dramatic here, but I swore to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I would bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I would obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

I believe in the 1st Amendment (and 2nd J) – what I do not believe in, is being reactive to a group of people who are out to destroy our way of life.

That said, I'd never advocate removal of Muslims from the United States based on their religion. This is a matter of allegiance to the United States of America, loyalty to the Constitution of the United States, and the protection of our Freedom.


Any person or group of people, regardless of faith, gender, sexual orientation, or race, who put our existence at risk by attacking our freedoms and rights, should be targeted as a threat and dealt with accordingly.

Many people of many beliefs have lived, and do live in this great nation of ours, and this is our strength. However, we must always remain vigilant. There are many who would love to see us fall.

THIS! I took that same oath and despite no longer on Active Duty status I still live it and follow it, even if now there are no orders to follow. I will defend my nation, my family, my countrymen and my constitution to my dying breath from any enemy who wishes to destroy that which I swore to protect.