dismal job growth a blow to obama

[sniper7]

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2012/09...?ncid=webmail1

what I find amazing:

The labor force participation rate, or the precentage of Americans who either have a job or are looking for one, fell to 63.5 percent -- the lowest since September 1981.

63.5%...holy crap. is there really that many people out there not employed or even LOOKING for one? so that tells me 36.5% of people are doing nothing....NOTHING.

time for some real change. time to rip away the entitlements. time to get those people working again, doing something productive. Get them in the military if they are going to get paid by the .gov. at least then some productivity comes from them.

ETA: I retract my .mil reference. Monky made a very clear point I didn't think about in my tirade. They definitely need to do something though instead of sitting around.

[Monky]

Get them in the military if they are going to get paid by the .gov. at least then some productivity comes from them.

I totally disagree w/ that. Most would never pass a physical and it would be even more of a waste. Would you really want to give the 'entitled' class access to things in the .mil? Aren't there enough problems w/o bringing that type into the .mil?

They had their chance to enlist.. But I do agree they need to be put to work. Have them cleaning highways, roadways, cleaning graffiti.. something.

[sniper7]

I totally disagree w/ that. Most would never pass a physical and it would be even more of a waste. Would you really want to give the 'entitled' class access to things in the .mil? Aren't there enough problems w/o bringing that type into the .mil?

They had their chance to enlist.. But I do agree they need to be put to work. Have them cleaning highways, roadways, cleaning graffiti.. something.

very true. as long as it is something to get their ass to work instead of sitting at a section 8 home watching TV eating off food stamps, talking on their .gov supplied phone, popping pills on medicaid, letting their kids run around do whatever they like on the streets who get the parents a disability check.

[Zundfolge]

Get them in the military if they are going to get paid by the .gov. at least then some productivity comes from them.

Dear God NO! All we need is a bunch of armed entitlement junkies that'll gladly kick our doors in and take our stuff at the whim of any ole tyrant that comes along, Constitution and Posse Comitatus be damned.

Best thing to do is shut down the entitlement state cold turkey (which will happen anyway if we don't do something about it).

[Sawin]

I'm in no way defending BO, but we must consider how many of that 36.5% are children under 18 years of age and over 65 years old, don't you think? A quick google search tells me in the 2011 census, 23.7% of the US population was under 18 years old and 13.3% was over 65, so those numbers don't really seem as far off as you might think.

[roberth]

Maybe I'm cynical but these stats are manufactured, there is some truth in them but we'd be hard pressed to find it. The actual numbers are much higher.

I'm in no way defending BO, but we must consider how many of that 36.5% are children under 18 years of age and over 65 years old, don't you think? A quick google search tells me in the 2011 census, 23.7% of the US population was under 18 years old and 13.3% was over 65, so those numbers don't really seem as far off as you might think.

The labor stats only count people 16 and over. - edited to correct my error.

http://portalseven.com/employment/un...nt_rate_u6.jsp

The U6 unemployment rate counts not only people without work seeking full-time employment (the more familiar U-3 rate), but also counts "marginally attached workers and those working part-time for economic reasons." Note that some of these part-time workers counted as employed by U-3 could be working as little as an hour a week. And the "marginally attached workers" include those who have gotten discouraged and stopped looking, but still want to work. The age considered for this calculation is 16 years and over

[Ronin13]

I echo the sentiment that the "entitled" class join the military, there are enough soup sandwiches already. I say make them clean up the highways, or shovel snow in the winter, perhaps even clean state-owned facilities. When they ask for a paycheck you simply tell them "you're already getting a check from the government." Last time I checked, living in CO you're getting the equivalent of $10.05 per hour (for a 40hr/wk job)- that's more than I was making at best buy when I was 19!

[Sawin]

The labor stats only count people 16 and over. - edited to correct my error.

http://portalseven.com/employment/un...nt_rate_u6.jsp

Sure, Labor stats might, but i'm talking about census stats.

[sniper7]

I'm in no way defending BO, but we must consider how many of that 36.5% are children under 18 years of age and over 65 years old, don't you think? A quick google search tells me in the 2011 census, 23.7% of the US population was under 18 years old and 13.3% was over 65, so those numbers don't really seem as far off as you might think.

so your numbers added to 37%. so you are telling me your numbers and the article numbers which add up to roughly 100% +/- some errors mean everyone is working? no people are unemployed or searching for work?

[Sawin]

so your numbers added to 37%. so you are telling me your numbers and the article numbers which add up to roughly 100% +/- some errors mean everyone is working? no people are unemployed or searching for work?

Of course not. I was looking at the census statistics, not the labor force statistics. We all know there's a ton of unemployed and underemployed folks out there. I was just trying to point out that if indeed only 63.5% of American's are working, there has to be a large chunk of that 36.5% who are not part of the labor force, so shouldn't really be counted. Isn't that how the government is doing it these days anyway haha.