Noveske "fake"

[bimmer]

So.. I met up with a member last night to sell my noveske. After he looked at it for a while he said he was going to pass on it, because he wasn't sure it was a "real" noveske. He based this off of the fit of the upper and lower. They weren't really tight fitting and there is a little bit of play between them. Out of the 6 or so ar 15s I've had, none of them are any tighter than this (with the exception of a rock river lower). He said that if both the upper and lower are both noveske, they should be a really tight fit. I am certain that they are both true noveskes. I do think that the upper is a couple years older than the lower though. I even had the guys at Jensen look at it, and they said its for sure a noveske. It has the iron cross on the upper obviously also. He also said that noveske wouldn't put a Yankee hill comp on the barrel. (It's a 14.5" so it's pinned).
What are your thoughts?? To be honest, I'm kinda pissed...

[Gunner]

Give you $500 for it. I'm kidding I also have no answer for you

[ray1970]

If the lower is marked "Noveske" it is probably legit. I think something like that would be hard to fake from a legal stand point. To the best of my knowledge, I am not aware of anyone faking the upper receiver by putting the Noveske cross logo on them. Upper to lower fit varies quite a bit from piece to piece. My guess would be if it were a factory complete rifle when it was new it would have a pretty good fit as I imagine they would find a lower and upper that fit nicely before assembling the rifle. Hard to say without having it in hand to look at but my guess would be one of two things. Either the lower was bought as a complete Noveske unit and the upper was bought as a complete Noveske unit separately and they were put together, or the lower was a stripped lower assembled by whoever with whatever kind of parts and then had a Noveske upper put on it.

Of course, in the world of ARs, who knows. How is the barrel marked? What about markings on the bolt carrier?

I have no idea if they would have used the YHM muzzle device either.

[Sawin]

No reason to be pissed, other than his wasting your time. He didn't ding it up or anything when looking at it did he? That's why some of us like to call "seconds" on threads in the trading post... things like this happen and folks decline for sometimes BS reasons... if nothing else, he got cold feet.

[ray1970]

Sorry. I just looked at your ad. Being a "chainsaw" lower, it definitely wasn't a complete lower from Noveske and definitely wasn't part of a new rifle. These are their blemished lowers and were sold as a stripped lower only.

I would be more interested in seeing if the upper is really Noveske.

Could you post a shot of the ejection port side so we can see the markings?

Also, I would still be interested in the markings on the barrel and the BCG.

[bimmer]

Yes the lower is a chainsaw assembled by me. He was worried about the upper. The barrel is noveske with the iron cross, and 5.56 markings. I can take more pics when I get home. And also.. The "blem" lowers should fit exactly the same as a non blem. They are cosmetic blems, and and are still guaranteed to be spec.

[ray1970]

And also.. The "blem" lowers should fit exactly the same as a non blem. They are cosmetic blems, and and are still guaranteed to be spec.

Yes, they are only cosmetic blems. If there was something wrong with them other than cosmetics then Noveske wouldn't sell them for liability reasons.

I mentioned in my first post that upper to lower fit varies from piece to piece even among the same manufacturer. Personally, I'm not overly concerned with upper to lower fit on a defensive carbine. A "precision" rifle is a whole different story.


Anyhow, not meaning any disrespect here, but I wouldn't describe the rifle as "a Noveske". It is built with a Noveske lower and may have a complete Noveske upper on it and could be very nice shooter. But it is still just a "franken-rifle". Like I said, no disrespect meant. Every one of mine is a franken-rifle and they are all great rifles.

[bimmer]

Well I did state in my thread that it is a built lower with a blem lower. And the buyer also knew that before hand. It's still all noveske parts except the trigger parts kit

[bimmer]

And I agree. But that's also why I'm selling it for barely over $1,000.00. If it was a factory complete noveske I'd be asking way north of that.

[Delfuego]

Does the upper have a "cross" on it too? Not the barrel, but the upper. Cant see any on the photos.