Colorado, crap place for bugging out to.

[Eggysrun]

Doesn't mean anything if it cannot go through a 12" diameter tree. Cause that's what the smart ones returning fire, will be using as cover.
The "threat" can and will come from anywhere. Mob mentality will be the driving force of the people. Ft Fun clashes with loveland, wellington, anywhere the mob goes it absorbs the weaker of the 2 sides, festers and grows.
Throw in some charismatic person and the trouble / threat factor grows, perhaps very fast. There is no place here, or anywhere, determined people who have not given up the will to live might appear.

Jax, lowes 1st place the mob will be en mass. Anywhere there is the hope for tool to survive the people will go. Hell there will be people who have no clue that will be there too. Why? because that's where the mob is going.

After you read 1 second after (if you haven't already) read Lights Out.

I agree the mobs will be bad. I've done enough hiking in the foothills to spot out some temporary geocache spots in case things fall apart.

Obviously if something like an EMP went off over night while I was sleeping that wouldn't really work out for me but if I had a feeling stuff was heading downhill in a few weeks I'd take advantage of a geocache. I mean think about it, people can only carry so much ammo and supplies with them at a time. If you can spread those supplies in geocaches or burried on a path to your general area you'll be evacuating you'll be better off.

I'd rely on a vehicle to get to a certain point, either I run out of gas or room on the road or just not safe to drive and rely more on walking on foot or bicycle.

[buckshotbarlow]

something like this might help, i'm gonna look around!

http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Wild.../dp/0936699108

[Mtn.man]

You do realize that the majority will die from disease.

[streetglideok]

Sometimes, the less then hospitable places are the places you want to go to. When deer are pressured, where do they flee to? Not to a place thats cozy like a Hilton. Usually the thickest, nastiest places, that alone will deter people. Go high in altitude in the warm months, and go lower in the cooler months. Most people after a short bit will lose their drive and look for something easier.

[Goodburbon]

I came from Louisiana. Population density is one thing, but the population density of "have nots" is another. Every small town has projects. The town I grew up in had a population of 2000, and had projects that you didn't want to be caught in after dark. Hell we called and reported someone selling drugs and the dispatch said "oh the corner of xxx and xxxx, they're always doing that there" No, they don't do anything about it. The land is flat, you're always in close proximity to trees or in danger of flooding, or of a hurricane, or having a crackhead break into your shed and steal your tools. And the good neighborhood is within 3 miles of shanty town.

The growing season is great down there, you can get 2 crops or more of vegetables. Water is only a problem when there's too much. The soil is fertile....but if you don't cut your grass it won't be long before you can't see past your doorstep.

Speaking of water, you can't dig in or you'll float out.

Disease can spread rapidly through humans and livestock via abundant water, and abundant insects

AC isn't just a luxury, older people down there die without it.

On the coast you can get all the food you need from the water and the super fertile land. And it can all be taken from you by a good storm.

Northern LA has an even higher concentration of "have nots"



Here you can drive several miles without even seeing a driveway. Terrain relief allows me to see cars coming from a mile away. Yes water can be a problem, but it can be planned for. Yes cold can be a problem, but you can build a fire. You can use solar heating panels. Population density is MUCH better, and population density of Have nots is exponentially better than that.

[zteknik]

Heck,It's a whole lot better here than out east in Bloomberg central-NY.
To get anywhere decent you have to go 4 or 5 hrs and that's still no guarentee the mobs wont end up there.
Here you have the mountains to weed the weak out and not some speedbumps like NY.

[Limited GM]

because there is a lot of game in colorado, you just have to know where to look. the vast majority, a good 90%, of people have absolutely no ability to hunt or survive in the mountains. particularly in the winter. getting away from people would not be difficult at all.

Im betting it would be damn thin within weeks. Talk to some of the old timers who survived the great depression.

My Grandfather told me that there was a time if someone found a deer track, people would come from miles to see it. He wasnt kidding.

[Great-Kazoo]

Everyone & their brother will be beating the woods for food. Think it gets crowded [depending where you hunt] now, just wait. Unless you are going to pull a Jeremiah Johnson gl.
I have a spouse and a few others in the neighborhood i am committed to. Neighbor helping like minded neighbor.
Better defense in numbers, up to a point. There are a few places we have been offered to BO to, however being on the road after week 1 will not be pretty. Then again assessing the full extent of a meltdown w/out an eye in the sky is not a good option either. . I nor the spouse is humping to the hills with every other swinging dick. I'm standing my ground, at my age if there was a SHTF scenario better to die on my feet than live on my knees. YMMV of course.

Test time. Do a poll of the neighborhood, friends, who don't think like you do, john or jane q public. Ask them, if there was an emergency and they needed to move NOW, where would they go. I believe 60 % easy will say
"The Mountains? "

Traffic on a weekend sux going there now. You don't feel it will become one cluster if SHTF?

[tmckay2]

[QUOTE=jim;640817]Everyone & their brother will be beating the woods for food. Think it gets crowded [depending where you hunt] now, just wait. Unless you are going to pull a Jeremiah Johnson gl.
I have a spouse and a few others in the neighborhood i am committed to. Neighbor helping like minded neighbor.
Better defense in numbers, up to a point. There are a few places we have been offered to BO to, however being on the road after week 1 will not be pretty. Then again assessing the full extent of a meltdown w/out an eye in the sky is not a good option either. . I nor the spouse is humping to the hills with every other swinging dick. I'm standing my ground, at my age if there was a SHTF scenario better to die on my feet than live on my knees. YMMV of course.

Test time. Do a poll of the neighborhood, friends, who don't think like you do, john or jane q public. Ask them, if there was an emergency and they needed to move NOW, where would they go. I believe 60 % easy will say
"The Mountains? "

if you are talking about 6 months to a year later, then i agree. if you are talking about in the short time, say 1-3 months, i think you are nuts. 95% of people will hunker down and try to survive in their house and scavenge for food around town and take it by force from their neighbors. once all of that runs out the city is literally a wasteland with no food, then yes, everyone will head to the mountains. people that don't frequent forums such as this are generally incredibly non self sufficient. also, you don't rely 100% on game. you use it to supplement stored foods. yes, going way out in the middle of freaking nowhere in montana or something would be better, but your life would suck most of the time and if nothing ever happened it was a waste. i don't like being IN THE CITY but i like being near some niceties of modern civilization. the good news is i am perfectly happy in the wild too, so i can survive on my own. but the liklihood of such a catastrophic event is so remote, its not worth living in a place purposefully for that reason. now, preparing food, ammo, and having a plan is not a bad idea.

most people would not say theyd head to the mountains because most people have no shelter, food, water, self defense or knowledge to survive in the wild and they know this. if you ask "where would you go" then yes some will answer to the mountains because they don't know how else to answer. if you ask "what would you do" very few will say theyd pack up and go to the mountains. people on this board, yes. normal every day joe's no.

[Irving]

If SHTF, I'm going to need to learn to love Canada Geese, because I'll probably survive off of them for a while. And raccoons and squirrels.