U.S. Ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens Killed in Consulate Attack in Benghazi

[hatidua]

So when does the government become responsible for the actions of unrelated organizations in it's jurisdiction?

When gun forum members in another country deem it to be responsible.

[BigBear]

Here's something to toss around on a rainy morning:

So when does the government become responsible for the actions of unrelated organizations in it's jurisdiction?

Say the black panthers or some white supremacist bombed some embassy or another. Is that really an act of war?

I understand that we're dealing with a bit of a more complicated situation here, not to mention despicable (really? A movie?!) but I'm curious where people here individually draw the line.

If an organization is operating in a country without that country's leaderships blessing, then it is my personal belief that the country's leadership should hunt the dogs down and make a statement that certain actions are unacceptable.

I know that's an unpopular statement when we get into the "freedom's and America" fight but you asked and I answered. No, I won't get into a "what if" fight with anyone.

[TFOGGER]

How about the next time some asshole from Al Qaeda/Islamic Jihad/Abu Sayyef posts a video on youtube that says something bad about Judaism/Christianity/The West/infidels in general, we just firebomb a few hospitals in the middle east? That would make exactly as much sense as what happened in Benghazi. But that will never happen, because we're not reactionary ignorant assholes that place no value on human life. If the "governments" of these backwater hellholes cannot guarantee the traditional sanctity of diplomatic missions, then we need to not only withdraw all diplomats and aid, but blockade their seaports. They already hate us, perhaps we should give them a reason to fear us again...

[275RLTW]

Just a reminder of a foreign policy that DOES work

[Whistler]

Here's something to toss around on a rainy morning:

So when does the government become responsible for the actions of unrelated organizations in it's jurisdiction?

Say the black panthers or some white supremacist bombed some embassy or another. Is that really an act of war?

I understand that we're dealing with a bit of a more complicated situation here, not to mention despicable (really? A movie?!) but I'm curious where people here individually draw the line.

Right before attacking and killing American citizens. The hosting government does have an obligation to protect foreign embassies from extremist nationals.

I think "act of war" is a bit over the top, more a case of simple self-defense. Try that crap at the White House (or my house) you'll get your ass shot and it should be no different in this case.

[2nd amendment]

Why do we not use our own military for security? We put to much trust in a government and military that is not ours.

[battle_sight_zero]

All right Obama what are you going to do? A ambassador is dragged through the street's
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012...n-the-streets/

Yeah and Hillary says they were rushing him to hospital. Where's the main stream media on this one? This just shows how biased they are, nothing to see here Obama policy is going good. Site members if the pics don't make you pissed I will wonder about you. Damm we got to get thses clowns out of office.

[Ronin13]

That's what I would like to know!! When Diplomats and American Citizens are dying; FUCK DIPLOMACY !!

No, not fuck diplomacy- enforce more diplomacy...

Through the barrel of one of these:


Pancho does make a good point, and I'd like to see what the Libyan government does to exact justice in the situation... my bet though is not much, if anything at all. I'm not for going to war with another country, but if I was president right now, I'd put through for more Marines to be posted at US embassies in these troubled spots and give them a little less strict ROE- basically say "If you feel threatened or if they illegally breach the walls of US Sovereign Territory (which is what our embassies are) you are free to engage at will.

[Mick-Boy]

We do use our Military...inside the Embassy.

FYI - The Marine Security Guard detachments in Embassies and consulates are responsible for the physical security of the facility (Note - This means they are primarily concerned with the SCIFs and the classified material. Not the people, although their safety is often a side effect).

The MSG detail falls under the command of the Regional Security Officer (RSO) and ARSOs, federal agents (with the Diplomatic Security Service or DSS) who are responsible for the safety of the American Citizens assigned to that facility. The RSO answers to the Ambassador (at an embassy) or the Consulate General (at a.. you guessed it, consulate).

The perimeter of the Embassy will be secured by a Host Country National guard force (or LGF, local guard force). They are either cops from the city where the embassy is located, military from the host country, privately contracted security or a mix of all of the above.

The Ambo or CG can (and do) dictate what measures will be taken to defend embassy grounds. Often this will be per SOP.

The movement policies will be dictated by a threat analysis of the area and will vary greatly from country to country and region to region.

[islandermyk]

I really don't understand what is the purpose of having a US Embassy in these hostile countries. I see that it can benefit travelers and such, but how many US citizens travel to Libya that can justify having a US Embassy there or in these hostile places?

The sad thing is... It's more for business than diplomacy....