There is a radical change occuring in what I have thought as debt. To me debt is somthing to pay off, a monkey to get off your back. Thats old man thinking. Debt seems to have become somthing present from birth to grave like the water a fish swims in. Does anyone here think the 26 year old with $80k in student loans, and a degree in sociology will pay off her debt? Does any one here think Italy will pay off their debt? Does anyone here think the USA will pay off its debt? A liberal friend of mine told me that the US debt was "just like carrying a credit card balance". Why is this a problem? The individual debtor still has a car a nice place to live good food. The goverments still get to spend on the programs they like to spend on. Owning shit is a drag its just ties you down. Getting stuff paid off is not freedom. True freedom is embracing debt learning to swim freely in it, and aqquiring the material things you want. Birth to death. Like the water a fish swims in.