NAACP going to the UN regarding US voting laws

[Sawin]

As a libertarian, in principle, I agree with you, but as a pragmatist I don't. The issue is more complicated than that. It's not just about paying your debt to society, it's about proving that you are able to be a law abiding member of that society and have given up being a-social and respecting others rights.

I have two people that I've known that got into trouble with the law.

One made a stupid mistake when he was young (but legally an adult). He ended up getting married, having kids, holding a good job and, as far as I know, being a law abiding productive member of society.

The second has been to prison twice, but has not learned their lesson and continues to be a drug abuser, drug dealer, and general sociopath.

The first person, IMO, should have their rights fully restored: voting and 2A.

The second should not.

I hear you loud and clear. I wonder however, why this second offender who continues to be a criminal, is not incarcerated again, and therefore is stripped of his rights? In jail - no rights. Out of jail - full rights...

What can you do (what have you done?) to ensure he's behind bars where he evidently needs to be? Why isn't he in prison?

[Storm]

I hear you loud and clear. I wonder however, why this second offender who continues to be a criminal, is not incarcerated again, and therefore is stripped of his rights? In jail - no rights. Out of jail - full rights...

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Being in prison, is paying your debt to society. Once released and proving that you can be a law abiding productive member of society, is a completely different thing.

What can you do (what have you done?) to ensure he's behind bars where he evidently needs to be? Why isn't he in prison?

I do not associate with this person, nor am I law enforcement. It's not my responsibility to make sure they end up being incarcerated.