Great article about 3rd party voting.

[Ronin13]

The sad thing GM2 is that we hear this line EVERY election. So, when will it be time for the Libertarian party (or at least libertarian ideas) to get on the national stage? Honestly, Romney isn't going to turn the country around. He'll still have to deal with the Democrats in the Senate and they'll make sure he doesn't succeed in doing anything meaningful - even if he tries (and I'm not sure he'll make more than a token effort). At best, Mitt will slow the process down a little.

As I've said before, I will tell the pollsters that call that I'm voting for Gary Johnson to try and influence their agenda. Come election day, I'll probably vote for Mitt to help CO go that way.

I'm getting really tired of having to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

I've not really heard this EVERY election, but then again I wasn't paying much attention until recently... But I have to ask: SO FUCKING WHAT? It'll be time for the libertarian/green/voldemort party when it's their time. Right now we've seen a shift in power to a degree never before seen. We've seen an outcry of communism spread through our land (OWS), we've seen a call for a return to liberty (tea), we've seen our foreign policy turned on it's head, and we've seen, for the first time since 2001, a terrorist attack on US citizens that weren't military- But this time nothing is done, worse than nothing, it's denied, it's covered up, it's lied about. This is the worst administration for the freedoms many of us here have fought and shed tears/blood/sweat for. Reagan put it best: "Freedom is never more than a generation away from extinction." We are looking at that generation, right here, right now.

It's been repeated time and time again, we don't know for sure what Romney will do, but we do know what Obama will do, and can we really afford that? It's time to draw a line in the sand, you're either with us (freedom) or against us (Obama/Communism), it's not just about Romney, he's a small piece to the bigger picture. I don't love the guy, I don't think he's the best we can come up with, but he's all we have to defeat the current regime. I honestly do fear that if Obama wins this election, some way, shape, or form, it could very well be the last election we ever have in this country...

In the 1700's there was a whisper on the wind of freedom, so fragile it could be destroyed so easily. Today we see that same threat looming. What could happen in 2013? 2014? and so on? What would we do if somehow, someway, Obama was able to dissolve the congress, declare a state of emergency and quell any opposition with the wave of a hand? It's happened before, certainly not here, but what's stopping it from happening here? Us. We the people are stopping it. But what happens when we the people invite it? If just 51% of the population votes this way, we the people who hold these ideals of freedom become the minority, and then it truly will become an uphill battle. What would you do if America had it's own "October Revolution"? When the entitled seize that of the workers, and all are forced to live in the state owned nation?

[Inconel710]

I've not really heard this EVERY election, but then again I wasn't paying much attention until recently... But I have to ask: SO FUCKING WHAT? It'll be time for the libertarian/green/voldemort party when it's their time. Right now we've seen a shift in power to a degree never before seen. We've seen an outcry of communism spread through our land (OWS), we've seen a call for a return to liberty (tea), we've seen our foreign policy turned on it's head, and we've seen, for the first time since 2001, a terrorist attack on US citizens that weren't military- But this time nothing is done, worse than nothing, it's denied, it's covered up, it's lied about. This is the worst administration for the freedoms many of us here have fought and shed tears/blood/sweat for. Reagan put it best: "Freedom is never more than a generation away from extinction." We are looking at that generation, right here, right now.

It's been repeated time and time again, we don't know for sure what Romney will do, but we do know what Obama will do, and can we really afford that? It's time to draw a line in the sand, you're either with us (freedom) or against us (Obama/Communism), it's not just about Romney, he's a small piece to the bigger picture. I don't love the guy, I don't think he's the best we can come up with, but he's all we have to defeat the current regime. I honestly do fear that if Obama wins this election, some way, shape, or form, it could very well be the last election we ever have in this country...

In the 1700's there was a whisper on the wind of freedom, so fragile it could be destroyed so easily. Today we see that same threat looming. What could happen in 2013? 2014? and so on? What would we do if somehow, someway, Obama was able to dissolve the congress, declare a state of emergency and quell any opposition with the wave of a hand? It's happened before, certainly not here, but what's stopping it from happening here? Us. We the people are stopping it. But what happens when we the people invite it? If just 51% of the population votes this way, we the people who hold these ideals of freedom become the minority, and then it truly will become an uphill battle. What would you do if America had it's own "October Revolution"? When the entitled seize that of the workers, and all are forced to live in the state owned nation?

I understand your point and I felt the same way twelve years ago. Then I watched my chosen candidate say one thing and do another for eight years. I watched the "compassionate conservative" prove how liberal and progressive he really was. I give all due respect to GWB for how he handled Afghanistan, but less respect for jumping into Iraq and trying to nation build on the cheap, and no respect for expanding Medicare and backing down when he had a chance to really reform Social Security. At the end, the nation was in worse shape financially and any good will the Republican party had at the beginning was flushed away and ensured the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress. Then to put the cherry on top, the best candidate the Republicans could come up with was McCain!

We're still going off a cliff. How fast it happens remains to be seen.

[jhood001]

This topic again!


8-13-12:

I'm not on the whole with us or against us, it's just the reality of the situation.

Today:

It's time to draw a line in the sand, you're either with us (freedom) or against us (Obama/Communism), it's not just about Romney, he's a small piece to the bigger picture.

[HoneyBadger]

This topic again!


8-13-12:

I'm not on the whole with us or against us, it's just the reality of the situation.

Today:

It's time to draw a line in the sand, you're either with us (freedom) or against us (Obama/Communism), it's not just about Romney, he's a small piece to the bigger picture.

I think Ronin would make an excellent politician. Wait, no he wouldn't. Wait, yes he would. etc.

[Ronin13]

I think Ronin would make an excellent politician. Wait, no he wouldn't. Wait, yes he would. etc.

I would never aspire to become a politician- I think along the lines of Jefferson and Washington, I wouldn't want the job, you can't trust someone who actually wants to become a politician, it's a form of public service, not a career (well that's what it was intended to be). And as for that quote there (how long to dig that up jhood?)- we're coming up on 30 days left- yeah, things tend to change, just like I used to be 100% behind Dodge vehicles, now I'm all about German autos- nothing wrong with adapting and changing.

[jhood001]

And as for that quote there (how long to dig that up jhood?)-

HA! I thought you would like that! The search took a couple of minutes. It just stood out because I absolutely loathe that phrase when it is used to cow others into doing what someone else wants them to do.

nothing wrong with adapting and changing.

No, there sure isn't. I do, however, believe there is something 100% wrong with changing what one says from one moment to the next for the sake of 'winning' an argument. Which I believe you're completely guilty off in this case. And that was what HoneyBadger was getting at in case you missed it.