Quote Originally Posted by Teufelhund View Post
Well said. The most retarded part is most of the self-proclaimed conservatives are libertarian and just don't realize it. Take a look at the definitions some folks are throwing out in one of the other recent threads. They seem to know what they want, but are too scared or stubborn to realize they're voting for something else. I'm tired of arguing with them about it. I need to remember I can lead a person to a solution, but I can't make him think.
And you wonder why more people don't want to join your club (or maybe you don't wonder). You just called us retarded, scared, stubborn, and unable to think. We are able to think. We are not scared. Stubborn... yeah, probably some/most of us. I'm sure that we agree on a lot of things, if not most things. This election seems to be a big sticking point. I understand you arguments, but a lot of times Libertarians do come off as either whiny, better than the rest of us, unrealistic, or a combination. Would I vote for RP or GJ if they had the nomination? Absofuckinlutely. Will I vote 3d party this election? Nope. The change we all want won't happen overnight, we need to get there incrementally.

As far as what we call ourselves, one day the Libertarian party will grow and get more popular. And if/when that day comes, they will be just as corrupt as the other parties, and you'll have to find a new thing to call yourself. I know what being a conservative means to me. I can't help it if others have tarnished the label.

Just my $0.02.