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    I would say 99% of the time it's a bad idea for someone to teach their wife/girlfriend how to shoot. If it's possible, have her go to a class with a disinterested third party.

    For the immediate future, you're doing ok. But don't spend a lot of time. Maybe 2-3 magazines worth. Let her do just about everything herself. Don't try to teach when she's actually shooting, just let her experience things. Only step in for a safety issue. After she's realized how it won't hurt her and how much fun it is, sign her up for a class.

    Try not to say "this is the gun you will use" or anything like that. Try to get her in a situation with other shooters with various guns next. Let her shoot various automatics, revolvers, etc. What works for you is almost guaranteed not to work for her.
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    Agree with Chad, a couple of mags to get her past her anxieties and then get her some formal training especially if you can find a good female instructor. If you want to score points, LISTEN when she tells you whar she learned (even if you already know it). Take her to the gun store and let her hold a lot of guns. She will figure out what she likes. Also, can she get a restraining order against the guy.

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    stone, good points. Technically, the stalker hasn't done anything to warrant a restraining order, its a college campus that she works on and he is a student, so he has every right to be there. But her supervisor is aware of the situation and has made it clear to him that he is stalking her and if he continues, they will expel him. She is learning more about knowing where people are and looking around to monitor things wherever she is at.

    ChadAmberg, I brought that up to her, that I'd rather be a third party in a class and have someone else teach her. However, she said she wants to go shooting first, then take a class. I didn't think about how I was going to do it, was planning on shooting a magazine or two and have her watch what I do, then hand it over to her. I've already taught her the firearm laws, might be a good time to quiz her on them and see if she remembers. I will definitely let her do things her way and only step in for a safety violation (or if I see her about to do one). Very good point, thanks for bringing that up!

    Holger_Danske, that was kind of the plan. Just take her out, get her over the initial fear of pulling the trigger, and get to know what the recoil feels like, then get her into training.

    I'm mostly asking for tips/advice here because I absolutely do NOT want to screw this up. I want to make it as comfortable, relaxed and safe of an environment as possible so she feels at ease the first time she shoots. The plan (that she doesn't know) was to get her into a class, have her start shooting, take her out "shopping" to find what she likes, and then surprise her with a gift of her own pistol after she tries out a lot and really knows what she wants.

    My CCW instructor has at least 20 guns he brought to my CCW class for anyone to try out. I may see if he could do something familiar with her.

    He was very generous too in saying if we get her into a class, that he'll let me take the class with my fiancee and be right beside her, as a little support, and that he wouldn't charge me to take it. He said that in his experience, some women WANT their husbands to be there, others insist that their husbands are NOT present. My fiancee has already said that she wants me to be there no matter what, even if we have to pay for it (which luckily we don't). I think for her its more of a physical presence that would put her at ease. I don't plan on doing any teaching during the course, just letting him teach her entirely (but answer a quick question if she asks and didn't hear what the instructor said).


    At the moment, she is applying to a different job which would get her out of the situation, as well as getting her out of her high stress job (as of the past 6mo). Not to mention, if she got the new job, she'd not longer be working on a college campus and could carry a concealed pistol with her at work. When I brought that up, she was rather intrigued by the thought.

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    Have her read this http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles/ayoob63.html. Its an article called Armed and Female

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    xring, very good point. However, she has said she has wanted to me to teach her to shoot at some point, but that she isn't ready. She has had several students during the past 2 semesters (she teaches a college class in addition to working for the college) who don't understand the word no. They have continued contact when she has said it is inappropriate for what they are doing/saying, coming to her office during her regular job hours and attempting to chat her up with nothing related to the class, flagging her down in the parking lot (her biggest fear, but they've stopped doing that entirely), going to a coworker friend of hers and getting as much info as he can about her (asking him questions about her and the things she likes and whatnot). This guy with asbergers had made her a little more uneasy, just wondering what could happen if he showed up after class one night, when campus security is gone and she's the only one on campus. Or, if he found out where we live and started watching our house for her, various things like that.

    She took taikwondo as a kid and is interested in learning jiu jitsu, saying that she wants her body to be a weapon. I've supported that and she is trying to get into a local class to test the waters before paying for it. They've been VERY accommodating to letting her sit in on the classes and watch, even get up and try it out. But after she brought up jiu jitsu, she came to me and said that she wants to learn to shoot. That even if she masters jiu jitsu, if she had access to a firearm in the house and didn't use it, and something horrible happened, she'd never be able to forgive herself for being too scared of guns to learn how to shoot it.

    The student who was stalking her only got her to think about the possibility that an attack could be possible, that even if she knows other means to protect herself, having a firearm in the home that she knows how to use could be a safer thing to use. I brought it up that what if someone comes into the house, with 4 of his friends. That no matter how much martial arts she knows, she could still be overpowered, that a firearm would at least give her a better chance of taking one or two down before either they fled or restrained her.

    Its all about mindset. I've tried to get her to think about preparing for bad situations for quite a while, since we're living together and I have a bedside pistol (soon to be shotgun) that would be the way I'd protect us. Having a plan is being prepared, and she seems to be seeing that just because she knows how to shoot a gun, doesn't mean that she will (or be required to) reach for it unless the situation calls for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffCyclist View Post
    xring, very good point. However, she has said she has wanted to me to teach her to shoot at some point, but that she isn't ready. She has had several students during the past 2 semesters (she teaches a college class in addition to working for the college) who don't understand the word no. They have continued contact when she has said it is inappropriate for what they are doing/saying, coming to her office during her regular job hours and attempting to chat her up with nothing related to the class, flagging her down in the parking lot (her biggest fear, but they've stopped doing that entirely), going to a coworker friend of hers and getting as much info as he can about her (asking him questions about her and the things she likes and whatnot). This guy with asbergers had made her a little more uneasy, just wondering what could happen if he showed up after class one night, when campus security is gone and she's the only one on campus. Or, if he found out where we live and started watching our house for her, various things like that.

    She took taikwondo as a kid and is interested in learning jiu jitsu, saying that she wants her body to be a weapon. I've supported that and she is trying to get into a local class to test the waters before paying for it. They've been VERY accommodating to letting her sit in on the classes and watch, even get up and try it out. But after she brought up jiu jitsu, she came to me and said that she wants to learn to shoot. That even if she masters jiu jitsu, if she had access to a firearm in the house and didn't use it, and something horrible happened, she'd never be able to forgive herself for being too scared of guns to learn how to shoot it.

    The student who was stalking her only got her to think about the possibility that an attack could be possible, that even if she knows other means to protect herself, having a firearm in the home that she knows how to use could be a safer thing to use. I brought it up that what if someone comes into the house, with 4 of his friends. That no matter how much martial arts she knows, she could still be overpowered, that a firearm would at least give her a better chance of taking one or two down before either they fled or restrained her.

    Its all about mindset. I've tried to get her to think about preparing for bad situations for quite a while, since we're living together and I have a bedside pistol (soon to be shotgun) that would be the way I'd protect us. Having a plan is being prepared, and she seems to be seeing that just because she knows how to shoot a gun, doesn't mean that she will (or be required to) reach for it unless the situation calls for it.
    I understand its tough. Her job situation makes it tough too. I have been saddened over the years by women that I knew that were clearly at threat but could not bring themselves to train. Some did though. You cant push especially if you are in a relationship. Its frustrating, the person you want the most to be safe you cant train. It sounds like you are doing all you can. Best Wishes

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    Thanks, just got a hold of her for the first time tonight. I went on a work shift this afternoon, gone until Tuesday, and apparently she went to the jiu jitsu place tonight. It was supposed to be open mat and she was going to watch, but some guy wanted to try it out so they held a formal class. I asked how it went. Her reply: "AWESOME!". She's signing up on Monday.

    So, I brought it up to her about shooting, asked her if she'd like to go to the range next weekend after our engagement photo shoot (that we've put off for about 6mo). She said she'd love to, that she was actually going to ask me when we were going to the range.

    She is going to research firearm and other tips to learn to shoot tomorrow and we'll talk about it a night or two this next week when I get home. I told her that if she didn't want to go, thats fine too, but I'm going no matter what, because I should be picking up my new shotgun on wednesday and I want to shoot it! lol

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    I havn't read any replys or much of the original post by BuffCyclist,
    but the pics of his fiancee are not loading to prove he actually has a significant other

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    Quote Originally Posted by DD977GM2 View Post
    I havn't read any replys or much of the original post by BuffCyclist,
    but the pics of his fiancee are not loading to prove he actually has a significant other
    Really? You need PROOF that I'm engaged?! Okay okay fine. I'll post a picture of us. Was going to upload a different one, but facebook wouldn't let me download the original so it was like 200x250pixels. This one is better, but not the best picture of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffCyclist View Post
    Really? You need PROOF that I'm engaged?! Okay okay fine. I'll post a picture of us. Was going to upload a different one, but facebook wouldn't let me download the original so it was like 200x250pixels. This one is better, but not the best picture of us.

    Hey your a great sport so I will post a pic of my Hot Lil Hole in appreciation!!!!!


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