My plan to help fix [some of] America

[Irving]

Alright, sounds like unregulated regulation that needs to go asap. I'm on board.

[ChunkyMonkey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzwacZZe5yk

Thanks for the post.. This shows how much EPA has negated from its original purpose.

[xring]

I was HAZMAT III certified for about five years. I have put on a class A suit and SCUBA many times to deal with very very nasty substances. I dont know about cow poop but I do know about hydrafluoric acid. You guys want to go back to the good old days before love canal? Before love canal getting a toxic waste disposal license was as simple as coming up with $25. Companies bore no responsibility for the waste if a "licensed" disposal company was used. The methods of disposal were creative, adding it to dust control in roads, eceterta. There very well may be total abuse of authority in the EPA and that should be addressed but EPA power is there to protect us from monsters that are next to you everyday on the highway and railways and in the industrial park down the street.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I was HAZMAT III certified for about five years. I have put on a class A suit and SCUBA many times to deal with very very nasty substances. I dont know about cow poop but I do know about hydrafluoric acid. You guys want to go back to the good old days before love canal? Before love canal getting a toxic waste disposal license was as simple as coming up with $25. Companies bore no responsibility for the waste if a "licensed" disposal company was used. The methods of disposal were creative, adding it to dust control in roads, eceterta. There very well may be total abuse of authority in the EPA and that should be addressed but EPA power is there to protect us from monsters that are next to you everyday on the highway and railways and in the industrial park down the street.

Noone has said anything that you mentioned. EPA as the whole agency however has transformed itself into the far left/liberal/green movement extension w/ a badge. On the other hand, they also played into the big industry lobbyist (e.g. fraking issue). EPA needs to be scrubbed all together!! Cut off the cancer and restart w/ the original mandate!

[xring]

Noone has said anything that you mentioned. EPA as the whole agency however has transformed itself into the far left/liberal/green movement extension w/ a badge. On the other hand, they also played into the big industry lobbyist (e.g. fraking issue). EPA needs to be scrubbed all together!! Cut off the cancer and restart w/ the original mandate!

I went back and looked at what was written and your right. Lately I have heard a lot of abolish the EPA and let business (ie corporations) run free!
What you are proposing is eliminating a law enforcement agency that is there to protect us from a very real threat. Perhaps starting from scratch is appropriate. If you think its going to self regulate your smoking crack.

[ChunkyMonkey]

I went back and looked at what was written and your right. Lately I have heard a lot of abolish the EPA and let business (ie corporations) run free!
What you are proposing is eliminating a law enforcement agency that is there to protect us from a very real threat. Perhaps starting from scratch is appropriate. If you think its going to self regulate your smoking crack.

As just like anything else... It takes time for the gunk/parasite to build up. If you think EPA can self regulate and clean up itself, well your crack is much stronger than mine.

[xring]

As just like anything else... It takes time for the gunk/parasite to build up. If you think EPA can self regulate and clean up itself, well your crack is much stronger than mine.

I coul;d probably use some strong crack, but i think ill have a cup of cofee instead

[Rucker61]

Yes.. few samples..

The Clean Air Act: The EPA puts the first-year cost of each Title V permit at $46,500 and the pre-construction permitting program at $84,500 if you have more than 25 cows.

Remember the dust pollution? If your farm's equipment produces dust, you may be in trouble with EPA

Shit license.. if you are selling your farm animal manure for fertilizer, you must fill out a few hundred pages of permit app per truckload. There is a claim that each truck load of manure costs 15 of man hour in EPA paper work.

Don't get me started on coal power plant, muffler shop regulation, and so on. I



It's CRAZY how they can get away with these w/o congress' approval.

Wouldn't it be smarter to fix what's wrong with the regulations than to simply kill the EPA? If you trust private industry to regulate themselves then you should look up "Cuyahoga River" and "Bhopal".

[Danimal]

It seems that this thread has leaned toward the EPA issue so I will start there. First off since we as a nation are taking strides towards energy independence and getting off of foreign oil, does anyone know when the last refinery was built in the US? If you said 1976 you would be correct. The regulations in place make it not cost effective to build another, so basically it is not worth literally trillions of dollars in gas production potential to build another refinery. That should tell you something. Same with the nuclear industry, which I might add if you include all the nuclear deaths throughout its history, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Chernobyl and TMI you will have less than half the radiation related deaths caused every year from fossil fuel sources. Government regulation boils down to picking winners through terrorizing the public.

That does not mean that regulation is not necessary, but holy crap as a utility plant operator and former nuclear power plant operator, there is not a single aspect that goes unregulated, or unchecked. Beyond the extreme financial costs to the utility that ultimately get passed to the consumer, do you have any idea how many people are working for or contract through the EPA? 18,000 full time, and another 18,000 part time or contractors. If we exceed on any emission, they know about it within the work week and contact us regarding the fine.

Now to address the other concern that I have with the OP. I think that there are many ways to fix the government. First off we need to give them a reason to listen to their constituent population. So they should be paid at a rate consistent with their approval rating. That way if you cater to special interest groups you don't get paid. This would fix the union problem that someone hit on earlier. Along with that make it illegal to receive any additional income from any source other than a pre-established source of income. This way they are motivated to get the largest group of people happy and will work for you. Second, it needs to be a position of service, not a career. You should not be able to do more than 8 years in the Senate, Congress, or the white house. There should be no retirement benefits whatsoever associated with any of these offices. You get elected, do your best, then go back to the job that you had before you were elected. We are not electing housewives or homeless people here, they should be captains of industry, the smart and motivated. With that I understand that compensation must be worth the stress and work involved, and would necessitate much higher base wages, but the savings through abolishing the golden parachute would more than cover it. But the job-title "professional politician" should be a criminal offense, a joke and a thing of the past.

[Rucker61]

It seems that this thread has leaned toward the EPA issue so I will start there. First off since we as a nation are taking strides towards energy independence and getting off of foreign oil, does anyone know when the last refinery was built in the US? If you said 1976 you would be correct. The regulations in place make it not cost effective to build another, so basically it is not worth literally trillions of dollars in gas production potential to build another refinery.

One, the current national debt is $16 trillion. The GDP is $15 trillion. Your claim that a single new refinery would yield trillions of dollars in gas production is simply ludricrous. The math doesn't add up. And evidently the oil companies have excess capacity to US needs, as the US has been a net exporter of gasoline since 2011.