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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    Chunky Monkey is talking about "Maintaining the style of living" they currently enjoy. I have friends who refuse to drive anything less than a $70,000 car. They feel they earned that through their hard work and taking risks. Who the hell is anyone else to tell them they can't reap the fruits of their labor? I thought this was America... You want nice things, you earn them, fvck anyone who wants to take that away from you!
    Fuck yeah man! I totally agree!!

    I'm busting my ass working two gigs, because I want nice things. Not to support the lazy FUCKTARDS that want a hand out

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwalker460 View Post
    Obamacare passed, go read the document and understand it before you ask stupid questions. I get that your a liberal and there is no use in arguing with someone who has no understanding of business. I chose adding to the unemployment ranks rather go out of business. Its called self-preservation, something you liberals lack.

    Also the link is not working for me, but dont bother trying to "educate" me, I am the one who writes the check so no matter how much sunshine you try to blow up my ass, it will never cover the truth of the matter.
    you're pretty new. If you haven't figured it out yet, Rucker is a liberal who just likes to stir the pot around here. There is an ignore feature on here that allows to you block any comments he makes, the only time you have to see them is when somebody quotes him.
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    So let me get this straight -

    He took the risk to start his business, it grows, becomes big (no matter big or small). Now .gov wants to force him to spend more $ to stay in business. He says he'll just close shop if more of same .gov comes down the turnpike and you blame him for the decision he makes? I don't care if it's a $10 budget or you add a bunch of zeros at the end of the number. It's HIS freaking business, it's a private company. You don't like it - then go buy him out. It's turnkey as it sits and you can keep the place running.
    Are you complaining about the moral standard that you think he has to provide for his employees? What moral standard is that? The Golden Rule?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Jet View Post
    What moral standard is that? The Golden Rule?
    It is kind of the same moral standard that makes an employer expect that 'his guys' are going to show up on a business critical day. Or the same moral standard that makes an employer expect that 'his guys' aren't going to wait until a very critical moment to quit on him in order to hurt him.

    It is a two way street. It just depends on what side of the coin you're on.

    At the end of the day each employer and each employee decides what level of loyalty they're willing to give and what level they demand. I personally believe that there are no ethics in business. Go where the highest pay is. And employers need to stop acting like employing people or 'creating job's makes them akin to Jesus Christ. Employing people simply makes them more money.
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    Bottom Line: His business, his choice. If the employees want to deal with the situation that he is walking away from then they can start there own business. If we made it a law that he could not shut down his business it would be slavery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Jet View Post
    So let me get this straight -

    He took the risk to start his business, it grows, becomes big (no matter big or small). Now .gov wants to force him to spend more $ to stay in business. He says he'll just close shop if more of same .gov comes down the turnpike and you blame him for the decision he makes? I don't care if it's a $10 budget or you add a bunch of zeros at the end of the number. It's HIS freaking business, it's a private company. You don't like it - then go buy him out. It's turnkey as it sits and you can keep the place running.
    Are you complaining about the moral standard that you think he has to provide for his employees? What moral standard is that? The Golden Rule?
    Actually, no. He is firing these people because he EXPECTS that the government will force him to spend more money. It's speculation. Imagine if global employment fluxed based on theories like the oil industry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhood001 View Post
    It is kind of the same moral standard that makes an employer expect that 'his guys' are going to show up on a business critical day. Or the same moral standard that makes an employer expect that 'his guys' aren't going to wait until a very critical moment to quit on him in order to hurt him.

    It is a two way street. It just depends on what side of the coin you're on.

    At the end of the day each employer and each employee decides what level of loyalty they're willing to give and what level they demand. I personally believe that there are no ethics in business. Go where the highest pay is. And employers need to stop acting like employing people or 'creating job's makes them akin to Jesus Christ. Employing people simply makes them more money.
    His guys show up because if they don't they will not have a job. In turn they can always quit. Why do they have the right to decide what they do with their lives and he as employer does not?

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    My primary issue with it is the implicit coercion to "vote" in favor of their continued employment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperiorDG View Post
    Why do they have the right to decide what they do with their lives and he as employer does not?
    Um. They both have that right. Re-read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperiorDG View Post
    Bottom Line: His business, his choice. If the employees want to deal with the situation that he is walking away from then they can start there own business. If we made it a law that he could not shut down his business it would be slavery.
    Whoa. No one even suggested there should be a law forcing his decision to maintain or cut employees. It is his business, his choice; I would not argue that point. He wants sympathy for being forced to pay more taxes, and his decision is to put people out of work rather than let those increased taxes cut into his lifestyle of relative excess. I support his right to do so, but I still think he's a scumbag for it.

    I should clarify that I think our current system of paying income tax is flawed and should be replaced entirely. It is, however, the current system to which we are subject.
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