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I know at least one liberal fed up with Obummer that they are considering voting for Johnson...Originally Posted by Bailey Guns
So when is a vote for a 3rd party NOT a vote for Obeyme? when it takes votes away from him...
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ, we are the III%, CIP2, and some other catchphrase meant to aggravate progreSSives who are hell bent on taking rights away...
A 3rd party candidate has the potential to hurt either major candidate. No doubt about that.
Ask Bush (1) or Gore...they'll tell you.
But a 3rd party candidate is not going to win. Not even remotely close. They won't...no,they can't...even get a single electoral vote. Not one. The libertarian party is a pipe dream, plain and simple. If that hurts feelings, too bad. It's true. They're lucky to get .5% of the popular vote nationwide and the popular vote means jack.
It's not because people don't understand the libertarian party or what they stand for. It's exactly because people DO understand what the libertarians stand for.
They're too dogmatic for almost the entire population to agree with. Hell...the hero of the libertarians won't even run under his own party's name. He hides behind the Republican party in order to get elected.
Libertarians, especially on this forum, are constantly telling me I shouldn't compromise my principles and ideals with my vote. That's just not possible. The only perfect candidate I'll ever find running for office would be me...and I'm not a candidate. No one else. I'll always find something on which I disagree with every candidate out there. So I shouldn't vote?
I am not willing to vote for a known loser. I'm at least going to vote for the candidate from a party that has a chance to win. This time that's Mitt Romney. Not because he's the perfect candidate but because his beliefs more closely match mine. And because he's a member of a party that can actually get something done that I want done. That's exactly why Ron Paul caucuses with the republicans. Because if he caucused as a libertarian he'd be a party of one and he'd be a nobody. And he would stand just as much chance of getting his agenda passed as a libertarian president as he would caucusing in congress as the lone libertarian. It's no different than the avowed socialists in congress siding with the democrats on everything.
The same people on this forum who tell me I shouldn't compromise my principles and beliefs by voting for a republican are willing to do exactly what they're telling me not to do. I've yet to have anyone answer my question of "who is your perfect candidate?" I don't agree with many of Ron Paul's positions. I don't agree with many of Gary Johnson's positions. I don't agree with some of Mitt Romney's positions. The difference is, I agree with most of Romney's positions on the issues and Romney can actually win.
As a matter of fact, I said many months ago right here I thought Romney would win by about a 5% margin. I still do. I also believe Romney is going to be one of the best presidents of my lifetime.
Time will tell.
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I like sex, drugs and automatic weapons. That's why i'm a dues paying member of the Libertarian party. Struggling to keep the government away from messing with the above.
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Ok I won't. I'm not going to throw away a vote on a 3rd party vote sucker. I remember the last Govenor's race and how he was the better choice and he got 45% of the vote but there was 10% that still voted for R and not we have Lickenpooper. Same high taxes on cars and cigarettes and punishment taxes if we are late. We even have to pay punishment taxes on camper trailers.
And for what? So we can have a huge bottleneck on I25 everywhere with no better traffic flow. But millions can be spent on ugly designs put in the walls that we have to look at on our slow drive home. I hate it but I'm not voting 3rd party this year.
Who are you to want to escape a thugs bullet? That is only a personal prejudice, ( Atlas Shrugged)
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Thanks Danimal, for posting this thread. I've been contemplating this issue for some time and wanted to ask the same question here of the forum members.
I'm trying to understand the concept of voting for my principles, which could cause me to suffer 4 additional years of a president with no principles, that could very realistically destroy our society. How can one have the opportunity to vote this person out of office and throw their vote away on a third party candidate, who cannot win, but will siphon off just enough votes in the 11 battleground states, to cause Obama to retain the presidency?
I mean, we all agree he needs to go, but why toss your crucial vote away, and more importantly, siphon votes from Romney, that are desperately needed in order to win? Obama and Romney are statistically tied in all of the polls in Colorado at around 45% and Johnson is polling at 2%. That 2% could be the difference it takes to put Romney over Obama here and gain the Electoral votes. It could also be the same in the rest of the battleground states.
Just food for thought.
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A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
Had this very conversation with a coworker who used to be a die-hard Obama supporter. I thought how funny it was that she was die hard for years before the presidency and within two months decided she no longer liked him and continued to dislike him more and more as the months passed. She always claimed to be very liberal and she is, however when she explained it to me on what her beliefs were she fits the concept of classical liberal or Jeffersonian liberal, not modern day at all.
So this year she has told me that she has to vote with her conscience and will be voting third party. Of course her and I agree on a lot of concepts and theories about freedom and what the government should be doing. She wants Obama out very badly but doesn't care for Mitt. Honestly, I am not a huge Mitt fan and as I get older I am less Republican and more conservative based on the Constitution. I am pretty religious and I believe that guides my moral compass, however I don't agree with the Republican party pushing that agenda.
I told this co-worker that I also had to vote with my conscience. That is, I need to remove the current administration at whatever cost, and that may be voting for someone who don't exactly prefer but still believe would be a better choice than what we have. My conscience tells me that if we don't replace the current administration no matter what that we won't have much of a country left in four years.
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