Fight while carrying question...

[anaphylaxis]

So I posed this question in the GD topic "Self Defense?" but it would be appropriate info here if it can be answered...
The scenario is you are somewhere, you are carrying, and unable to deescalate a tense situation and a person wants to get into a fist fight with you, and there is no avoiding it. What do you do? Keep in mind variables like- What if the person is a better fighter than you? Bigger? Stronger? What happens when/if they discover you are armed? What if you are put in a position where you can be disarmed by your assailant? No I don't plan on getting in any fights, but since I carry just about all the time, I'm curious about your options in a case where a fight is unavoidable and flight is impossible.

Ability, Opportunity, Jeopardy...

If its obvious there's a disparity of force and bad guy demonstrates AOJ, I'm going to equalize matters quickly. If bad guy goes for my gun, I guarantee it isn't to borrow it, I'm going to use it as well.

In any event, I seek to always avoid confrontations, or if involved in one without my choosing, will try to avoid escalation. I always have a less-lethal option available as well, taser C2, OC or (most often) a kubotan.

[Great-Kazoo]

IMO Ronin you should not carry.

In a backpack @ King Soopers. Remember that tasty morsel of a post, which R13 Was not the OP.

[Fentonite]

I'm not buying it Ronin. Flight is always an option and PTSD or service overseas isn't an excuse for getting into stupid fights over ego. One of the biggest things I learned that's kept me out of fights is that *no one cares* if you're the coolest kid in the room. You shouldn't either.

I've spent a lot of time around genuinely hard dudes. Guys that have killed more people than cancer and look like an African dictator in their dress uniform. One of the things that these men have taught me is that ego detracts from learning. Cruising into a room with a chip on your shoulder trying to compare dick size with every type A personality in the joint is a sure way to be branded an asshole and probably take a pretty good beating in the process.

Someone trying to start scrap either has an emotional or a financial interest in that fight. Stow the ego. Let them be the coolest kid in the room. It doesn't cost you anything.

So your original question was what to do about fighting while carrying.

Don't.

Getting into a fight with a gun or a knife on your body means that tool is in play.

If they have an emotional investment in the fight, deescalate (It can be done. I promise). If they have a financial investment make the cost/benefit unpalatable by whatever means necessary.

That may be the most wisdom in a single post. Ever.

[jslo]

While I agree walking away is always possible and the best option, lets assume Ronin's scenario is unavoidable. Is letting the aggressor know you're armed, either verbally or an "accidental" peak, be "wise". In the OP's "unavoidable" situation is a possible "brandishing/menacing" charge worth it?

[Great-Kazoo]

While I agree walking away is always possible and the best option, lets assume Ronin's scenario is unavoidable. Is letting the aggressor know you're armed, either verbally or an "accidental" peak, be "wise". In the OP's "unavoidable" situation is a possible "brandishing/menacing" charge worth it?

No warning. That may get turned around to a He threatened me with a weapon and I acted, scenario

[Ronin13]

IMO Ronin you should not carry.

Molon Labe...

What's worse is he wants to be a cop.

I say this with all due respect... but you don't know me, you base your opinion on what I post here, but have you really ever taken the time to get to know me? I'll answer that for you, no. I really don't understand your hostile and unwelcome nature towards me... I guess you really don't like me, BFD, I don't care. I will say Jim and I have had our spats, and I realize that most of the time he is ribbing (the way he does it may be rough, but hey, thick skin needed around him). YOU on the other hand, you just never let up... I should just hit that ignore button... but sometimes you have valuable input in some of the discussions... I'll ask politely to please stop making false assumptions about me- your negativity is getting annoying.

To everyone else- situations dictate response... Not every situation you can just walk away. Without going into too much detail, this guy started an argument with me (subject doesn't matter), got in my face to where I had my back against a window, I asked him to get out of my face and that I didn't have time to have a pissing match with him. His two friends were on his right and moved to a position on my left flank. My defense mode came into play, and I asked him again to back off, I was done with the argument. That's when he grabbed me, I had no where to go, and I acted as trained. I knew from the get-go the guy was looking for a fight that evening (hindsight), my friends all were in agreement that it was a lose-lose situation and I handled it correctly.

Where things did get out of hand was when he confronted me at my car outside. I guess he wanted retribution for my reaction to his grabbing me. Again, I attempted to defuse the situation, he wasn't hearing it, and there was again no where to go. Should I have avoided the argument? Yes. But when someone makes a firm decision to have a problem with you, and they don't want to back down (verbally or physically, doesn't matter does it?) and they want to pursue the issue (in this case alcohol was involved- 1 drink, so leaving was not an option at that time) I ask how can you really be proactive in avoiding the situation? Lock myself in my car? Call 911? C'mon, let's be realistic here.

[ChunkyMonkey]

A responsible grown up should not put him/herself in that position in the first place. Take it as a lesson and move on.

I dont know how many times I apologized and moved on when someone pumped his chest over the silliest thing. Who give a fvck - when I am carrying, I am calmer more than ever.

[Goodburbon]

Molon Labe...



I say this with all due respect... but you don't know me, you base your opinion on what I post here, but have you really ever taken the time to get to know me? I'll answer that for you, no. I really don't understand your hostile and unwelcome nature towards me... I guess you really don't like me, BFD, I don't care. I will say Jim and I have had our spats, and I realize that most of the time he is ribbing (the way he does it may be rough, but hey, thick skin needed around him). YOU on the other hand, you just never let up... I should just hit that ignore button... but sometimes you have valuable input in some of the discussions... I'll ask politely to please stop making false assumptions about me- your negativity is getting annoying.

To everyone else- situations dictate response... Not every situation you can just walk away. Without going into too much detail, this guy started an argument with me (subject doesn't matter), got in my face to where I had my back against a window, I asked him to get out of my face and that I didn't have time to have a pissing match with him. His two friends were on his right and moved to a position on my left flank. My defense mode came into play, and I asked him again to back off, I was done with the argument. That's when he grabbed me, I had no where to go, and I acted as trained. I knew from the get-go the guy was looking for a fight that evening (hindsight), my friends all were in agreement that it was a lose-lose situation and I handled it correctly.

Where things did get out of hand was when he confronted me at my car outside. I guess he wanted retribution for my reaction to his grabbing me. Again, I attempted to defuse the situation, he wasn't hearing it, and there was again no where to go. Should I have avoided the argument? Yes. But when someone makes a firm decision to have a problem with you, and they don't want to back down (verbally or physically, doesn't matter does it?) and they want to pursue the issue (in this case alcohol was involved- 1 drink, so leaving was not an option at that time) I ask how can you really be proactive in avoiding the situation? Lock myself in my car? Call 911? C'mon, let's be realistic here.

When I was a Mental health tech we had a really Hot nurse that would work nights with me. One time a patient decided he had the hots for her. He waited until she was alone on the unit, walked up and physically blocked her into the nurses' station. No way out. He told her he was going to have his way with her. She said, "ok I've got to pee." and walked right past him. Crisis averted. Situation completely defused.

Your situation was avoidable with creativity.

[jslo]

Good point jim

[Great-Kazoo]

When I was a Mental health tech we had a really Hot nurse that would work nights with me. One time a patient decided he had the hots for her. He waited until she was alone on the unit, walked up and physically blocked her into the nurses' station. No way out. He told her he was going to have his way with her. She said, "ok I've got to pee." and walked right past him. Crisis averted. Situation completely defused.

Your situation was avoidable with creativity.

Redirection, diffuse and move on, or out of the way. If in a bar, they have these things called bouncers.
Anyone can be a man, a real man tries to avoid the situation in the first place.
Feel the need to measure dicks great, you're more of a man than i am, again move on or redirect.