Fight while carrying question...

[newracer]

Molon Labe...

I am not going to take it from you, but that statement in this context just strengthens my opinion. By your own admission you have PTSD and problems with making correct decisions and staying out of trouble. You should be man enough to seriously consider not carrying.

[Ronin13]

I am not going to take it from you, but that statement in this context just strengthens my opinion. By your own admission you have PTSD and problems with making correct decisions and staying out of trouble. You should be man enough to seriously consider not carrying.

Wow... did I ever say I have problems making correct decisions and staying out of trouble? Nope... but hey, it was nice of you to try to put words in my mouth. I said I have PTSD and when a situation gets too far I no longer have the flight instinct, only fight- but not making "correct decisions." Funny, you sound EXACTLY like those asshat people on "Obama's team" who would think that returning combat veterans are potential terrorists. I had ONE (I bold the parts so maybe your very poor reading comprehension can absorb the info) instance that got out of hand, and for the most part was difficult to avoid or defuse. You should be man enough to not read things wrong and suggest from (again) ONE situation that I should lock away the most effective means of self protection and exercise of my 2nd Amendment right... Fuck you, your opinion is too similar to the Brady Bunch for my tastes.

[BigBear]

Well... this is getting exciting...


Walk away boys.... walk away.

[spyder]

Redirection, diffuse and move on, or out of the way. If in a bar, they have these things called bouncers.
Anyone can be a man, a real man tries to avoid the situation in the first place.
Feel the need to measure dicks great, you're more of a man than i am, again move on or redirect.

I would have to go with this....

I don't know what originally got you into that situation Ronin, but whatever the arguement was, you could have easily said "you're correct, my bad..." and left it at that. Is that something that you are going to want to say since it might make you look like a pussy/idiot to others? No, you won't want to say it, but who gives a crap about "others" in the grown up world man. Think back to what started the pissin match and think about where you could have eaten crow, and gotten out of the situation in the first place. I've learned to stay away from immature crowds, those were for my foolish "young" days, some day, you will reach that point also.

Now, to the point where they had you pinned... You should have tried walking to his left or right before the friends surrounded you. If he tried to forcibly restrain you while you were trying to get away, put him on the floor.

Like everyone has said, you should not have put yourself in that position to begin with. Something happened somewhere in that night's timeline that made him come to you, it was at that point that you should have diffused the situation and not let it go any further.

[Goodburbon]

Wow... did I ever say I have problems making correct decisions and staying out of trouble? Nope... but hey, it was nice of you to try to put words in my mouth. I said I have PTSD and when a situation gets too far I no longer have the flight instinct, only fight- but not making "correct decisions." Funny, you sound EXACTLY like those asshat people on "Obama's team" who would think that returning combat veterans are potential terrorists. I had ONE (I bold the parts so maybe your very poor reading comprehension can absorb the info) instance that got out of hand, and for the most part was difficult to avoid or defuse. You should be man enough to not read things wrong and suggest from (again) ONE situation that I should lock away the most effective means of self protection and exercise of my 2nd Amendment right... Fuck you, your opinion is too similar to the Brady Bunch for my tastes.

You cant take things like this personally and make a good cop. A serious self re-evaluation is in order

[newracer]

Wow... did I ever say I have problems making correct decisions and staying out of trouble? Nope... but hey, it was nice of you to try to put words in my mouth. I said I have PTSD and when a situation gets too far I no longer have the flight instinct, only fight- but not making "correct decisions." Funny, you sound EXACTLY like those asshat people on "Obama's team" who would think that returning combat veterans are potential terrorists. I had ONE (I bold the parts so maybe your very poor reading comprehension can absorb the info) instance that got out of hand, and for the most part was difficult to avoid or defuse. You should be man enough to not read things wrong and suggest from (again) ONE situation that I should lock away the most effective means of self protection and exercise of my 2nd Amendment right... Fuck you, your opinion is too similar to the Brady Bunch for my tastes.

I only offer some sensible advice and you respond with "Fuck you," again your posts only make my opinion about you stronger. And remember it is just that, my opinion. I just feel that you may make a mistake one day that will cost you dearly.

[Ronin13]

I only offer some sensible advice and you respond with "Fuck you," again your posts only make my opinion about you stronger. And remember it is just that, my opinion. I just feel that you may make a mistake one day that will cost you dearly.

Sensible advice? I'm not going to apologize because I feel that you went a little too far with the "be a man and don't carry" comment. Had you said "It is my honest opinion, from what I've read in this topic, you may want to consider leaving your gun at home when going to parties and other places where alcohol is involved..." I would be perfectly fine with that, and agree, as that is something I already do. I do apologize about the fuck you comment, that was a little too much, but the tone you took I found to be over the line.

Goodburbon, I understand what you're saying, and I try to not take things personally- especially not in a professional setting, but the "be a man don't carry" is a little too much for me to not take personally... It's one thing to make a comment like I stated above as a great alternative, it's another to insinuate that I lack the maturity and self-control to be armed in one person's opinion.

And finally, any mistake I make in life, that's mine to deal with, and it's my responsibility to be accountable for it. I try to keep a level head and rational demeanor about all decision, big or small, and in one instance things got out of hand- but I will tell you that I have not been in really any fights since my freshman year of high school (with the exception of the one I explained) and haven't been in any since this instance... Yes, avoidance and walking away is the best policy- but for my OP, what about that 1 in 100 where it's not? That's all I was asking, because there is a very rare possibility where there is no avoiding it...

[Mick-Boy]

If there is just no avoiding it you must never, ever forget that there is at least one gun in play.

Learn how to fight smart. Stay on your feet and stay conscious.

Some of the things you can get away with in the gym will get you killed when there is a gun or knife involved.

Practice for when things really go sideways. Find some guys and start rolling in your CCW gear. Try to access the gun mid-fight. Try to keep your opponent from accessing your gun. Learn how to make enough space to disengage safely.

Seek additional training. BJJ or MMA is great but something that includes the use of tools (guns/knives) is much, much better. If you have any friends in Group, find a guy that is a SOCP instructor. Greg Thompson knows his shit. Check out the ECQC course from Shivworks too.

[Ronin13]

If there is just no avoiding it you must never, ever forget that there is at least one gun in play.

Learn how to fight smart. Stay on your feet and stay conscious.

Some of the things you can get away with in the gym will get you killed when there is a gun or knife involved.

Practice for when things really go sideways. Find some guys and start rolling in your CCW gear. Try to access the gun mid-fight. Try to keep your opponent from accessing your gun. Learn how to make enough space to disengage safely.

Seek additional training. BJJ or MMA is great but something that includes the use of tools (guns/knives) is much, much better. If you have any friends in Group, find a guy that is a SOCP instructor. Greg Thompson knows his shit. Check out the ECQC course from Shivworks too.

Thanks for that- but I would add- when sparing in ccw gear- use those blue training guns
But yeah I really do want to work on a self-defense class and get better at hand-to-hand as well as shooting- especially if I try to get on JCSO.

[Mick-Boy]

Thanks for that- but I would add- when sparing in ccw gear- use those blue training guns

I like the blade-tech training barrels because you can still mechanically work the gun but whatever.