Fight while carrying question...

[BigBear]

I'll say it again too... Disclaimer: This is my own personal thought and opinion.

If a fight is unavoidable, then you meet the resistance with unrelenting self-preservation and merciless vengeance. There is only one viable outcome - they die.

Hopefully, the smart person will see the danger in your eyes and their common sense warns them not to get involved with you...

Unfortunately, our society is not very smart these days.

Grandpa always replied when asked why he carried a gun, "Cause I'm too old to kill idiots with just my hands."

That being said, I've only been in one fistfight in my life that I couldn't walk away from or talk down. Yes, he ended in the hospital for a while. No, he didn't die (as my opinion dictates) as authorities were able to corral/step in in time. (High school, go figure)

Edit: Nowadays with a black belt, you HAVE to find a way to talk/get out of a fight... too many repercussions. It's never to late to talk down, walk away... unless someone is sticking a gun in your face, which it might be too late by then anyways, lol.

[Ronin13]

I'll say it again too... Disclaimer: This is my own personal thought and opinion.

If a fight is unavoidable, then you meet the resistance with unrelenting self-preservation and merciless vengeance. There is only one viable outcome - they die.

Hopefully, the smart person will see the danger in your eyes and their common sense warns them not to get involved with you...

Unfortunately, our society is not very smart these days.

Grandpa always replied when asked why he carried a gun, "Cause I'm too old to kill idiots with just my hands."

That being said, I've only been in one fistfight in my life that I couldn't walk away from or talk down. Yes, he ended in the hospital for a while. No, he didn't die (as my opinion dictates) as authorities were able to corral/step in in time. (High school, go figure)

Edit: Nowadays with a black belt, you HAVE to find a way to talk/get out of a fight... too many repercussions. It's never to late to talk down, walk away... unless someone is sticking a gun in your face, which it might be too late by then anyways, lol.

I totally understand that- but the last fight I was in (last year- I think about this time too) was the first fight in a very very long time... It was unavoidable as I got into a verbal altercation when he grabbed me and cocked his fist back, PTSD kicked in (flight at this point wasn't in the cards) and I gave him a lesson in 'why you shouldn't grab a veteran who suffers from PTSD' and when people swarmed I let off, and walked away. I walked back to my car and he confronted me again- I told him I didn't want to fight anymore and I was done, tried my best to defuse the situation, he came at me and the fight was pretty much back on. I will try my best to never let something like that happen ever again, but it's not easy for me to "just walk away" when someone provokes me past the point of no return (IE: I don't have a flight sense anymore- thanks Uncle Sam ).

[cstone]

I totally understand that- but the last fight I was in (last year- I think about this time too) was the first fight in a very very long time... It was unavoidable as I got into a verbal altercation when he grabbed me and cocked his fist back, PTSD kicked in (flight at this point wasn't in the cards) and I gave him a lesson in 'why you shouldn't grab a veteran who suffers from PTSD' and when people swarmed I let off, and walked away. I walked back to my car and he confronted me again- I told him I didn't want to fight anymore and I was done, tried my best to defuse the situation, he came at me and the fight was pretty much back on. I will try my best to never let something like that happen ever again, but it's not easy for me to "just walk away" when someone provokes me past the point of no return (IE: I don't have a flight sense anymore- thanks Uncle Sam ).

Where were you when this happened? Do you still go there?

I hope not.

Be safe.

[Ronin13]

Where were you when this happened? Do you still go there?

I hope not.

Be safe.

It was a Halloween party- We were friends with someone who knew the person hosting the party, aside from our friend, I haven't been around any of the people from that party. They were all younger anyway (21-23).

[BPTactical]

It was unavoidable as I got into a verbal altercation

Would not a verbal altercation be avoidable?

[spyder]

....It was unavoidable as I got into a verbal altercation....

....I will try my best to never let something like that happen ever again, but it's not easy for me to "just walk away" when someone provokes me past the point of no return (IE: I don't have a flight sense anymore- thanks Uncle Sam ).

I've highlighted your problem for ya. I've had plenty of people talk shit, and so have a bunch of other people on this forum, the difference Ronin, is that we know that they are just meaningless words and not risking our freedom over. You can either choose to let them affect you, or not, it's up to you. My 9 year old has learned this, and you should too. You can pretty much always get out of a fight. The few times you can't, the person has ulterior motives and probably wants to do serious harm to you, and at that point, you use all force available to you.

[SuperiorDG]

I totally understand that- but the last fight I was in (last year- I think about this time too) was the first fight in a very very long time... It was unavoidable as I got into a verbal altercation when he grabbed me and cocked his fist back, PTSD kicked in (flight at this point wasn't in the cards) and I gave him a lesson in 'why you shouldn't grab a veteran who suffers from PTSD' and when people swarmed I let off, and walked away. I walked back to my car and he confronted me again- I told him I didn't want to fight anymore and I was done, tried my best to defuse the situation, he came at me and the fight was pretty much back on. I will try my best to never let something like that happen ever again, but it's not easy for me to "just walk away" when someone provokes me past the point of no return (IE: I don't have a flight sense anymore- thanks Uncle Sam ).

You are making a case that people with PTSD should not be allowed to carry.

[Ronin13]

You are making a case that people with PTSD should not be allowed to carry.

Not saying that at all- I've never felt the need to pull my weapon, I'm cognizant of my surroundings and do my best to avoid or defuse situations that have the potential to turn ugly. My mind frame while carrying is different than that of while not- I understand that while carrying things can become a bit more extreme, while not carrying if a verbal altercation (which some of you, no offense, need lessons in reading comprehension- I said unavoidable when he grabbed me after it began as a verbal altercation) starts to turn violent, I normally would try to deescalate or defuse or simply attempt to walk away, but in instances where the other party takes it too far and put a hand on me I don't flee... Take that however you choose, but I have yet to unlawfully use force (at any level) and do not ever plan to.

[Zundfolge]

In 46 years, I've yet to be involved in a fist fight. Common sense goes a long ways.

Agreed.

Considering some of the places I used to hang out, if I could get through my 20s without being close to being involved in a fist fight, then anyone can.

At this point if someone wants to start a fight with me they're going to have to very quickly escalate things to a level where I'd be justified in shooting them anyway.

[dan512]

I pretty much got over fighting in middle school. Verbal altercation? No such thing. If someone starts getting mouthy, I quietly head for the door. Either someone needs to be shot or they don't. Just my two cents.