Fight while carrying question...

[dan512]

I pretty much got over fighting in middle school. Verbal altercation? No such thing. If someone starts getting mouthy, I quietly head for the door. Either someone needs to be shot or they don't. Just my two cents.

[Mick-Boy]

I'm not buying it Ronin. Flight is always an option and PTSD or service overseas isn't an excuse for getting into stupid fights over ego. One of the biggest things I learned that's kept me out of fights is that *no one cares* if you're the coolest kid in the room. You shouldn't either.

I've spent a lot of time around genuinely hard dudes. Guys that have killed more people than cancer and look like an African dictator in their dress uniform. One of the things that these men have taught me is that ego detracts from learning. Cruising into a room with a chip on your shoulder trying to compare dick size with every type A personality in the joint is a sure way to be branded an asshole and probably take a pretty good beating in the process.

Someone trying to start scrap either has an emotional or a financial interest in that fight. Stow the ego. Let them be the coolest kid in the room. It doesn't cost you anything.

So your original question was what to do about fighting while carrying.

Don't.

Getting into a fight with a gun or a knife on your body means that tool is in play.

If they have an emotional investment in the fight, deescalate (It can be done. I promise). If they have a financial investment make the cost/benefit unpalatable by whatever means necessary.

[asmo]

So your original question was what to do about fighting while carrying.

Don't.

I will quickly speak from experience here. I have been in a fist fight while carrying. I chose not to draw due to the circumstances and because it wasn't worth it. I got my jaw knocked - big fricking deal. He swung again and I locked him up and the situation quickly de-escalated from there.

More detail for those that care:
When the cops came and questioned everyone the officer asked about my knife in my pocket. I told them that I was carrying, the cop took my gun from me, and then asked why I didn't use it. I told them it wasn't worth the financial cost and all the pain and strife that would go along with killing someone in a bar fight (the other guy was drunk - I was in the bar but not drinking). The cop laughed and gave my gun back to me -- I overheard him telling his partner that I was carrying and his partner lecturing the other guy and his friends that they were lucky none of them were dead.

Everyone around told the cops that I kept trying to defuse the guy and that he took a cheap shot on me. The cop thanked me for my restraint and I went home.

Long and short it takes two people to actually fight.

[Fentonite]

I'm not buying it Ronin. Flight is always an option and PTSD or service overseas isn't an excuse for getting into stupid fights over ego. One of the biggest things I learned that's kept me out of fights is that *no one cares* if you're the coolest kid in the room. You shouldn't either.

I've spent a lot of time around genuinely hard dudes. Guys that have killed more people than cancer and look like an African dictator in their dress uniform. One of the things that these men have taught me is that ego detracts from learning. Cruising into a room with a chip on your shoulder trying to compare dick size with every type A personality in the joint is a sure way to be branded an asshole and probably take a pretty good beating in the process.

Someone trying to start scrap either has an emotional or a financial interest in that fight. Stow the ego. Let them be the coolest kid in the room. It doesn't cost you anything.

So your original question was what to do about fighting while carrying.

Don't.

Getting into a fight with a gun or a knife on your body means that tool is in play.

If they have an emotional investment in the fight, deescalate (It can be done. I promise). If they have a financial investment make the cost/benefit unpalatable by whatever means necessary.

That may be the most wisdom in a single post. Ever.

[TFOGGER]

I pretty much got over fighting in middle school. Verbal altercation? No such thing. If someone starts getting mouthy, I quietly head for the door. Either someone needs to be shot or they don't. Just my two cents.

Disagree here. The law says you can meet force or the credible threat of force with sufficient force to end the threat. Someone grabbing my shoulder does not merit a bullet, more likely a quick trip to the ground and some soreness when they sober up. I agree, words don't justify blows, but in MOST cases, a swing doesn't justify a lethal response.