Fight while carrying question...

[MrPrena]

Good question.

I would say depends on types of Halloween Party.
If it held at CU or some Fast food after work Halloween party, I would probably not go there.
If it is a Halloween party held at church or professional gathering, there are less risk of crazy@ss turd tries to be a martial art/MMA/UFC fighter.

It was a Halloween party- We were friends with someone who knew the person hosting the party, aside from our friend, I haven't been around any of the people from that party. They were all younger anyway (21-23).

Where were you when this happened? Do you still go there?

I hope not.

Be safe.

[BlasterBob]

Well if you can't fight you get your ass kicked.
If you can't draw fast enough your gun is useless..
If you've let a threat get w/in 21' you're fucking retarded. Or.. you're ronin.

Monky says 21' (feet) and Ronin says 21" (inches).
I think I'll stick with Monky on this distance.

[Mick-Boy]

I'm not buying it Ronin. Flight is always an option and PTSD or service overseas isn't an excuse for getting into stupid fights over ego. One of the biggest things I learned that's kept me out of fights is that *no one cares* if you're the coolest kid in the room. You shouldn't either.

I've spent a lot of time around genuinely hard dudes. Guys that have killed more people than cancer and look like an African dictator in their dress uniform. One of the things that these men have taught me is that ego detracts from learning. Cruising into a room with a chip on your shoulder trying to compare dick size with every type A personality in the joint is a sure way to be branded an asshole and probably take a pretty good beating in the process.

Someone trying to start scrap either has an emotional or a financial interest in that fight. Stow the ego. Let them be the coolest kid in the room. It doesn't cost you anything.

So your original question was what to do about fighting while carrying.

Don't.

Getting into a fight with a gun or a knife on your body means that tool is in play.

If they have an emotional investment in the fight, deescalate (It can be done. I promise). If they have a financial investment make the cost/benefit unpalatable by whatever means necessary.

[TFOGGER]

I pretty much got over fighting in middle school. Verbal altercation? No such thing. If someone starts getting mouthy, I quietly head for the door. Either someone needs to be shot or they don't. Just my two cents.

Disagree here. The law says you can meet force or the credible threat of force with sufficient force to end the threat. Someone grabbing my shoulder does not merit a bullet, more likely a quick trip to the ground and some soreness when they sober up. I agree, words don't justify blows, but in MOST cases, a swing doesn't justify a lethal response.

[glock21]

I dont carry during the day because i know im going to get in a altercation that usually leads to something physical. It Is my job so i cant walk away or backdown. When im off work i walk away everytime even if i know i can take the person. My freedom means more to me than my ego. I have children that depend on me to provide for them, i cant do that in jail. My chip on my shoulder ends at 5pm mon-fri.

[Adawg38]

I'll say it again: A credible threat of serious injury or death justifies a level of force necessary to end the threat(ETA: And no more).

That being said, I'll do what's necessary to avoid a fight, short of sustaining serious injury. With a firearm in my waistband, there's conveniently no room for any ego.

^ +1

[asmo]

So your original question was what to do about fighting while carrying.

Don't.

I will quickly speak from experience here. I have been in a fist fight while carrying. I chose not to draw due to the circumstances and because it wasn't worth it. I got my jaw knocked - big fricking deal. He swung again and I locked him up and the situation quickly de-escalated from there.

More detail for those that care:
When the cops came and questioned everyone the officer asked about my knife in my pocket. I told them that I was carrying, the cop took my gun from me, and then asked why I didn't use it. I told them it wasn't worth the financial cost and all the pain and strife that would go along with killing someone in a bar fight (the other guy was drunk - I was in the bar but not drinking). The cop laughed and gave my gun back to me -- I overheard him telling his partner that I was carrying and his partner lecturing the other guy and his friends that they were lucky none of them were dead.

Everyone around told the cops that I kept trying to defuse the guy and that he took a cheap shot on me. The cop thanked me for my restraint and I went home.

Long and short it takes two people to actually fight.

[dan512]

TFOGGER- I think I may have worded what I said less specifically than I should have. I think you and I are in agreement, the only reason for lethal force is a legit threat of severe harm or death. Some guy calling me names or taking a swing at me doesn't rate. I guess what I meant is that there is either a real threat to my life or there isn't. As to the original question, the last thing I am going to do is allow someone to grab what ever weapon I have on me for something silly like words.

[newracer]

IMO Ronin you should not carry.

[Monky]

IMO Ronin you should not carry.

What's worse is he wants to be a cop.