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    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    I agree that the debt situation is dire. I don't see a plan from either candidate to fix it.
    Not to nitpick here, but really? I don't see a "fix," per se, but I do see two differing plans (if you will) to try to help- and I say try to help very loosely. One plan is to ask the top 5% to "pay a little more" in taxes, but no clear plan to reform any programs or help cut government spending (except in defense), claim to be making the market better for jobs, yet not relaxing regulations in some areas where it is needed that hurt job growth, and continued support of those who are unwilling to rise above assistance and staying on the government doll. The other plan is to cut taxes across the board, while still keeping the top paying the same percentage of the taxes (60%), relaxing regulations to help promote job growth, and cut some spending and reform some programs. I'll let you decide which is which- but like "Dirty Harry" Eastwood said "Let's let a businessman try."

    You want a good gauge on the economy, do what Rooskibar did, look internally at your own household. I know I've seen an increase in most of the things I purchase over the last 4 years that is way out of control... Gas going up the way it has is not on par for "normal."
    Here's is a graph to show Denver vs USA Average for the last 8 yrs:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    Assuming success in de-unionizing the workforce (not a small effort), do you intend that these new and reopened factories pay the prevailing minimum wage?

    Have to for success. An idea i would sign on to is become shareholders. We produce and profit, everyone does. This gives incentive for success and with todays social media (for those who use it) Think of the buzz when people say what they did has made them profitable.
    Profit sharing worked with 2 small business i was involved in. Give an employee pride for their craft and hope they continue to grow.


    Remember that commercial many years ago.
    LOOK FOR THE UNION LABEL.
    Translate that slogan in to some small business motto.
    Pride in ownership, pride in your craftsmanship, Pride in general that is what builds, or use to build, American companies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13 View Post
    The other plan is to cut taxes across the board, while still keeping the top paying the same percentage of the taxes (60%), relaxing regulations to help promote job growth, and cut some spending and reform some programs. I'll let you decide which is which- but like "Dirty Harry" Eastwood said "Let's let a businessman try."
    Gov. Romney's plan depends on tax cuts stimulating the economny sufficiently to make up for the tax revenue shortfall. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to work. It hasn't in the past (see effects of 1986 Tax Act on 1987, or 1990-1991 recession and it isn't working in Ireland. Non-partisan economists continue to point this out, but the Romney campaign continues to use studies by partisan think tanks.

    For example:

    http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...onomic-growth/

    the author is a former advisor to Presidents Reagan and GHW Bush.

    You want a good gauge on the economy, do what Rooskibar did, look internally at your own household.
    Again, that's anecdotal, not data, and certainly not information. Since 2009, I've purchased two cars and a bunch of new hobby gear. We, as a country, narrowly avoided economic collapse after the financial crisis, so I expect things to be wacky. I don't blame either administration for that; it was a big frigging problem that is going to take time to get under control.


    .I know I've seen an increase in most of the things I purchase over the last 4 years that is way out of control...
    Can you define "way out of control"?


    Gas going up the way it has is not on par for "normal."
    Google "speculators".


    Here's is a graph to show Denver vs USA Average for the last 8 yrs:
    One of the basic tenets of economics is supply and demand, in that if supply exceeds demand, prices go down, and vice versa. However, the US is a net exporter of gasoline, meaning that the oil companies, who own the product, would prefer to sell gasoline refined in this country overseas, decreasing the available supply to US consumers. Should the government prevent that? Also, look at the rise in gas prices from 2005 to 2008, during some of the best economic times we had. How do you account for that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim View Post
    Have to for success. An idea i would sign on to is become shareholders. We produce and profit, everyone does. This gives incentive for success and with todays social media (for those who use it) Think of the buzz when people say what they did has made them profitable.
    Profit sharing worked with 2 small business i was involved in. Give an employee pride for their craft and hope they continue to grow.


    Remember that commercial many years ago.
    LOOK FOR THE UNION LABEL.
    Translate that slogan in to some small business motto.
    Pride in ownership, pride in your craftsmanship, Pride in general that is what builds, or use to build, American companies
    Interesting and commendable plan. I'm not sure how successful you can be, in that unless you're producing cheaply enough to equal or beat Chinese and Indian import prices, you're not going to be competitive. Second, you (and I mean this revitalized industry as a whole) will need to have large enough workforce available to produce to the level required.

    And unfortunately, nothing prevents the foreign imports from cutting their costs to become more competitive, especially if they have government support. I don't think we'll ever bring low-cost, labor intensive industries back to the US. That's not our forte anymore. High-tech, innovative industries with a technical advantage or high-barrier to entry are the areas we need to grow. That's going to take an educated workforce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    I agree that the debt situation is dire. I don't see a plan from either candidate to fix it.
    So who are you voting for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BUC303 View Post
    So who are you voting for?
    Roseanne can fix it! Just look at how rich she is! She must know how to create jobs and stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BUC303 View Post
    So who are you voting for?
    Roseanne Barr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teufelhund View Post
    Roseanne can fix it! Just look at how rich she is! She must know how to create jobs and stuff.
    I posted before I saw this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    Roseanne Barr.

    And what plan has she come up with?
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    Unfortunately our Pride in craftsmanship combined with a less than educated work force puts a damper on things.
    HOWEVER I can utilize 2 resources that also absorb part of wages until X time into their employment.
    1) Disabled vets are offered job services and educational benefits until age 60.

    2) OTJ. State and county work force centers offer the On the Job training program to qualified people. The cover up to 50% of thei rwages for X amount of time on the job.

    3) Welfare office does or use to do incentive programs to get people back in to the work force too.

    There are Fed, state and cty programs as well as grants to get people back to work or retrained. Again unfortunately the people who want to do things like this are in my age bracket 55+ . Kids (18-30) don't want to or not interested in jobs where skills are what make the person, as a generalization.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rucker61 View Post
    Interesting and commendable plan. I'm not sure how successful you can be, in that unless you're producing cheaply enough to equal or beat Chinese and Indian import prices, you're not going to be competitive. Second, you (and I mean this revitalized industry as a whole) will need to have large enough workforce available to produce to the level required.

    And unfortunately, nothing prevents the foreign imports from cutting their costs to become more competitive, especially if they have government support. I don't think we'll ever bring low-cost, labor intensive industries back to the US. That's not our forte anymore. High-tech, innovative industries with a technical advantage or high-barrier to entry are the areas we need to grow. That's going to take an educated workforce.
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