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    Default Romney and the Mass AWB..

    I'm assuming that many of you like me.. have been ...wary... of Mr.Romney due to the Mass AWB during his tenure as Governor of that state....

    Here are the facts from a Pro gun group in that state.


    http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html

    Posted in 2007 so I feel it is even more true then something that would have recently come out.

    Looks like Mitt is not as anti gun as you may think.

    I know I feel better about voting for him now.
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    Well, we know for sure he is not as anti as BHO.
    The man has repeatedly stated the laws on the books need to be enforced and he is not in favor of any new laws..
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    Thanks for posting this. There is a lot of misinformation out there about Romney and the MA AWB.

    Overcoming people's misconceptions is a hard thing to do. For example, Ronald Reagan was probably one of the most anti-gun presidents in our history...but he really didn't push that agenda on a national level like he did as governor of CA.

    I don't think Romney will, either.
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    Gun politics is bad politics for any party. Even though the libs are very anti gun they've laid off the last decade because they lost a lot of male votes for being anti gun in the 90's.. Many democrats have said that they believe Gore lost the 2000 election because of gun politics. He came out in '99 after the columbine tragedy and tried to pass more gun legislation. They believe this lost him key votes in rural areas. Why do you think the AWB lapsed in 2004 without a fight? It's bad politics. Obama and Mitt won't touch it before the election. However, there is no way I'm going to feel safe about gun laws if BO gets a second term. He's got to go.

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    Repost. http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showthrea...ht=romney+guns

    But that's ok, maybe after this one we can get some of the guys on this site to quit being dishonest about Romney's record on guns.
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    For those who want to read the relevant part of the article:
    http://www.goal.org/newspages/romney.html

    This is a perfect example of don’t believe in titles. The bill was the greatest victory for gun owners since the passage of the gun control laws in 1998 (Chapter 180 of the Acts of 1998). It was a reform bill totally supported by GOAL. Press and media stories around the country got it completely wrong when claimed the bill was an extension of the “assault weapon” ban that had sunset at the federal level. They could not have been more wrong. Unfortunately for the Governor, someone had also wrongly briefed him about the bill. As a result the Lt. Governor and the Governor made statements at the bill signing ceremony that angered GOAL members. The following is what the bill actually did:
    1.Established the Firearm License Review Board (FLRB). The 1998 law created new criteria for disqualifying citizens for firearms licenses that included any misdemeanor punishable by more than two years even if no jail time was ever served.
    For instance, a first conviction of operating a motor vehicle under the influence would result in the loss of your ability to own a handgun for life and long guns for a minimum of five years. This Board is now able to review cases under limited circumstances to restore licenses to individuals who meet certain criteria.
    2.Mandated that a minimum of $50,000 of the licensing fees be used for the operation of the FLRB so that the Board would not cease operating under budget cuts.
    3.Extended the term of the state’s firearm licenses from 4 years to 6 years.
    4.Permanently attached the federal language concerning assault weapon exemptions in 18 USC 922 Appendix A to the Massachusetts assault weapons laws. This is the part that the media misrepresented.
    In 1998 the Massachusetts legislature passed its own assault weapons ban (MGL Chapter 140, Section 131M). This ban did not rely on the federal language and contained no sunset clause. Knowing that we did not have the votes in 2004 to get rid of the state law, we did not want to loose all of the federal exemptions that were not in the state law so this new bill was amended to include them.
    5.Re-instated a 90 day grace period for citizens who were trying to renew their firearm license. Over the past years, the government agencies in charge had fallen months behind in renewing licenses. At one point it was taking upwards of a year to renew a license. Under Massachusetts law, a citizen cannot have a firearm or ammunition in their home with an expired license.
    6.Mandated that law enforcement must issue a receipt for firearms that are confiscated due to an expired license. Prior to this law, no receipts were given for property confiscated which led to accusations of stolen or lost firearms after they were confiscated by police.
    7.Gave free license renewal for law enforcement officers who applied through their employing agency.
    8.Changed the size and style of a firearm license to that of a driver’s license so that it would fit in a normal wallet. The original license was 3” x 4”.
    9.Created stiffer penalties for armed home invaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    Thanks for posting this. There is a lot of misinformation out there about Romney and the MA AWB.

    Overcoming people's misconceptions is a hard thing to do. For example, Ronald Reagan was probably one of the most anti-gun presidents in our history...but he really didn't push that agenda on a national level like he did as governor of CA.

    I don't think Romney will, either.

    I hope you are right. Im a bit concerned that Im stocking up even more so now then I initially was before.

    Im behind the 8 ball since I have had to sell a bunch off to pay bills
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpienads View Post
    Repost. http://www.ar-15.co/forums/showthrea...ht=romney+guns

    But that's ok, maybe after this one we can get some of the guys on this site to quit being dishonest about Romney's record on guns.
    opps!!!!

    I normally read just about ecery thread on this site in the GD .. but that day I worked something like 22 hours...it was a long one LOL so I missed your original post my bad please forgive.

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    Well if he is going to do anything, it won't be during his first term. Political suicide.

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    No worries, buddy. Like I said, it probably needs to be put out again.

    I'm not in some fantasy world where I think Romney is gonna go out of his way to push for repeal of existing gun regulation, but I do not believe he is going to push for more regulation, either. State and federal are two different ball games. Romney may have done what he thought was best for his state, but that doesn't mean he thinks the same things are good for the entire nation.

    A couple things I was thinking about in relation to this subject:

    If Romney didn't sign the bill, he would fall into the "tyrannical" category. From the way I understand it, this bill had popular support from both sides.

    People who don't care much for Romney claim he flip-flops and says things to only score political points, or says things for political expediency. Does this apply to the things he said that were at best 2A neutral, or even anti 2A when he was running for/was governor? He ran for governor of a very blue state. Was he trying to score political points from the other side when he said he didn't want "assault weapons" on the streets of MA? Or do we (myself included) arbitrarily pick and choose what we believe is truth and what is political speak based off of our own ideals? We can't have it both ways without facts to prove it.
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