official 10-22-2012 presidential debate thread

[Rucker61]

It is funny to me to sit hear and listen to the propaganda being poised against oil and gas. Take it from someone who works in the oil & gas industry, that most of what Rucker is saying is purely false. I always have fun sitting back and listening about energy debates when many out side if this industry have not a clue what goes on day to day. We just site back and enjoy our label "Big Oil" ...

I'm more than happy to learn. What are my misunderstandings about the oil business? Please provide non-partisan cites, if possible.

[Rucker61]

I guess I was trying to ask, could you provide a few examples of what isn't false from Rucker. I haven't heard any of it and would probably disagree with Rucker anyway, but I am just curious.

[sniper7]

And of course it is a lot more complicated than that, but those are just some examples of the lies the government tells you and the difference in perspective that you get from being in industry. Mostly it is a bunch of small oil companies that have to find a way to make it through the bureaucratic red tape and sell a commodity where they will get the best money for it. I don't want to write a book on it here, but there really is so much out there if you do the research that will just make you sick.

Oh I completely understand. My best friends dad owns a trucking company that does work for the oil companies. Also hauling out the byproduct for coordinate in the past as well as budweisier. And hauling wood chips to turn into feed for cattle that is made from the beetle kill. The oil pays the best.

[Bailey Guns]

If business decisions dictated, then not so wrong. Oil and gasoline are commodities. We the people have nothing to say where the oil goes. We don't even have a say in where the workers to build the pipeline come from, if the contracts let allow for foreign (Canadian and Mexican, for example) workers. It's a Canadian company - why wouldn't they hire their own?

Many states are working on the pipeline in areas where they don't need fed approval. It must've made good business sense because lot's of American companies are investing in, and building, the pipeline despite Obama nixing the presidential permits.

Furthermore, there is a tremendous backlog of oil that can be transported from various states, to the Gulf Coast, where it can be refined. Not all of the refined gasoline, or oil, is going overseas, though surely some of it will. But we can't use it all. Besides...that how business works. And obviously lots of people will be put to work, including many thousands of Americans.

[Bailey Guns]

One, the decision to build was just postponed; the pipeline isn't cancelled.

Bullshit. Fat chance he's going to "un-postpone" it. Although, it wouldn't surprise me if all the concerns were resolved in the next few days so the permits could be issued.

Two, it was bad timing (IMHO); coming so soon after the BP gulf spill, liberals are a bit more sensitive to environmental concerns.

Fixed it...

[bogie]

Pipelines are very expensive to build and maintain. Lots of jobs involved.

The part about the pipeline I don't like is the diluted bitumen. The corrosivity by itself is not necessarily bad. The 'dilbit' can be some nasty stuff if they don't get all the water, sand, and sediment shit out of it... Basically its asphalt mixed with naptha and a potential abrasive. A big problem is when the water/sediment settles out in the pipe, which can cause severe corrosion. I'm fine with the pipe, but I'd personally rather Canada refine it, and then ship us usable fuel.

[KevDen2005]

Pipelines are very expensive to build and maintain. Lots of jobs involved.

The part about the pipeline I don't like is the diluted bitumen. The corrosivity by itself is not necessarily bad. The 'dilbit' can be some nasty stuff if they don't get all the water, sand, and sediment shit out of it... Basically its asphalt mixed with naptha and a potential abrasive. A big problem is when the water/sediment settles out in the pipe, which can cause severe corrosion. I'm fine with the pipe, but I'd personally rather Canada refine it, and then ship us usable fuel.

Dude, I have no idea what you just said.

[Bailey Guns]

Dude, I have no idea what you just said.

All I got out of it was that he likes laying pipe.

[sniper7]

Pipelines are very expensive to build and maintain. Lots of jobs involved.

The part about the pipeline I don't like is the diluted bitumen. The corrosivity by itself is not necessarily bad. The 'dilbit' can be some nasty stuff if they don't get all the water, sand, and sediment shit out of it... Basically its asphalt mixed with naptha and a potential abrasive. A big problem is when the water/sediment settles out in the pipe, which can cause severe corrosion. I'm fine with the pipe, but I'd personally rather Canada refine it, and then ship us usable fuel.

I'd rather have the US increase jobs, find a way to counter the corrosion, the abrasiveness of the impurities in the oils...maybe better filtration at the input points to keep out the water and sediments and maybe build a refinery or two along the way for domestic production in the central US.

Why let others do the work and make the money when you can do it yourself right here at home?

[Rucker61]

I'd rather have the US increase jobs, find a way to counter the corrosion, the abrasiveness of the impurities in the oils...maybe better filtration at the input points to keep out the water and sediments and maybe build a refinery or two along the way for domestic production in the central US.

Why let others do the work and make the money when you can do it yourself right here at home?

Here's what dilbit is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilbit

And here's some of the concerns:

http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs...wift072312.pdf