official 10-22-2012 presidential debate thread

[sniper7]

Pipelines are very expensive to build and maintain. Lots of jobs involved.

The part about the pipeline I don't like is the diluted bitumen. The corrosivity by itself is not necessarily bad. The 'dilbit' can be some nasty stuff if they don't get all the water, sand, and sediment shit out of it... Basically its asphalt mixed with naptha and a potential abrasive. A big problem is when the water/sediment settles out in the pipe, which can cause severe corrosion. I'm fine with the pipe, but I'd personally rather Canada refine it, and then ship us usable fuel.

I'd rather have the US increase jobs, find a way to counter the corrosion, the abrasiveness of the impurities in the oils...maybe better filtration at the input points to keep out the water and sediments and maybe build a refinery or two along the way for domestic production in the central US.

Why let others do the work and make the money when you can do it yourself right here at home?

[Rucker61]

I'd rather have the US increase jobs, find a way to counter the corrosion, the abrasiveness of the impurities in the oils...maybe better filtration at the input points to keep out the water and sediments and maybe build a refinery or two along the way for domestic production in the central US.

Why let others do the work and make the money when you can do it yourself right here at home?

Here's what dilbit is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilbit

And here's some of the concerns:

http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs...wift072312.pdf

[bogie]

Dude, I have no idea what you just said.

Bitumen is the stuff they mine from the tar sands. dilbit is the shit they want to ship through keystone, it's bitumen diluted so that it flows through the pipe. It's been transported for many years through pipelines, mostly in a safe manner. But there is some debate on the safety of transporting it.

All I got out of it was that he likes laying pipe.

I tried to avoid all 'sextual' connotations...

I'd rather have the US increase jobs, find a way to counter the corrosion, the abrasiveness of the impurities in the oils...maybe better filtration at the input points to keep out the water and sediments and maybe build a refinery or two along the way for domestic production in the central US.

Why let others do the work and make the money when you can do it yourself right here at home?

People are working on this and I agree to the extent of your comment that we need the jobs. A little research will solve the problems of transporting it.

[Rucker61]

People are working on this and I agree to the extent of your comment that we need the jobs. A little research will solve the problems of transporting it.

Let's hope so, as the industry hasn't done too well so far with all of the dilbit currently piped. Google "dilbit enbridge" and see why folks^W tin-hat liberals aren't too keen about trusting pipelines full of dilbit running across aquifers.