? for people with kids.

[HBARleatherneck]

i love when they interview idiots on the news.

it usually goes something like this.

"we never thought it would happen here, its such a great neighborhood"


I guess they dont realize bad guys have cars, feet or public transportation.

bad things can and do happen anywhere anytime

[james_bond_007]

I'll try to address your original question, if I might reword it a bit.

Q: How can I secure a small gun safe to :

1. Allow me to have quick access to its contents
2. Mount it so the safe and it's contents cannot be easily stolen
3. Mount it so I do not have a lot of repair work due to the mounting scheme if and when I decide to move somewhere else

Note: Nothing is 100% "thief-proof". With enough tools and motivation, ANYTHING can be stolen. What needs to be done is to create enough work to cause the thief to not want to spend significant time trying to defeat the mounting mechanism and steal the safe.


A: Attach a steel cable to the safe and cable/lock it to an immovable object such as:

1. Plumbing, such as cold water pipe (Can be defeated with a pipe wrench and a lot of water mess)
2. Post, such as a heavy banister (can be defeated with a sledge hammer or ax)
3. Furniture frame, such as part of the bed headboard or couch frame (can be defeated with a saw or by stealing the couch)
4. Floor joist, if access to an unfinished basement is available, a piece of baseboard can be removed, holes for the cable drilled in the floor, the cable run through the holes and locked around a floor joist, and the baseboard replaced (perhaps only with some very small notches for the cable). (Can be defeated with a saw)

No, this method is NOT "thief proof", but it will greatly deter a thief and provide you the access you desire. It is not likely that they will arrive with bolt cutters or cable cutters, unless "they have been in your house before" and know what they have to defeat ahead of time ...

[JohnnyEgo]

Just so you know I am not trying to start a pissing match. I respect a persons rules for thier lifestyle.
I am just trying to understand is all since its diffrent then what I do.

Didn't think you were. My guess from your screen name is that we have a lot more in common than not. For instance, we've both spent a fair amount of time 'haze gray and underway'.

As an individual, I am very comfortable with the idea that my opinions on many things are not the same as those around me. In deference to your question, I will take a crack at explaining exactly why I feel the way I do.

For a long time, risk assessment and management was my profession. It has influenced the way I think about certain things. The odds of a home invasion are real and non-zero. So are the odds of my toddler getting hold of a gun. It is difficult to determine the specific statistical likelihood of suffering a violent home invasion, because they are classified as crimes such as burglary and robbery, without additional distinction. My odds of being victim of a violent crime anywhere are pretty low; much lower than my odds of being involved in a car accident. I make a calculated guess that my odds of being involved in a home invasion as a subset of a violent crime are even lower. The odds of my kid getting hold of a gun are pretty low, too, but the perceived risk of myself and my wife is much greater. Ergo, lock boxes.

I take precautions to minimize the probability and severity of risk in balance with my quality of life. I choose to carry concealed whenever I have that option. At home, I have good lighting, good locks, an alarm system that alerts me when people open a door or window, and reasonably quick access to a firearm on every level of my house. I also have a 2 year old and a 14 year old, both of whom I love, both of whom know better, and neither of whom I trust. Since I find it uncomfortable to lie on the couch watching 'Sprout' with a sidearm, and I believe the odds of a home invasion to be low (but non-zero) and the consequences of kids and unattended firearms to be high, I find the best solution for myself to be lock boxes.

[earplug]

Surround the kids with guns and reloading stuff and they get bored about them pretty fast.
Its when your hiding stuff and trying to limit there access that they get interested.

[HBARleatherneck]

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[JohnnyEgo]

I think you are just jealous that your contemporaries can both ask and tell.

[HBARleatherneck]

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[ray1970]

I am also one of those avid firearms enthusiat that does not feel an overwhelming need to be armed 24/7. In fact, I am 42 years old and still do not have a concealed carry permit. If you have met me or been around me there is a very high likelihood that I was unarmed. While I understand that something could potentially happen at any time, I feel the odds of me ever needing to use deadly force in my lifetime are very,very low.

[rockhound]

I am also one of those avid firearms enthusiat that does not feel an overwhelming need to be armed 24/7. In fact, I am 42 years old and still do not have a concealed carry permit. If you have met me or been around me there is a very high likelihood that I was unarmed. While I understand that something could potentially happen at any time, I feel the odds of me ever needing to use deadly force in my lifetime are very,very low.

My house is protected, but most of the guns are locked away, I do not feeble the need to carry all the time, but am legal when I want to be, for instance I went down to Tucson last week to pick up a used truck, traveling with a lot of cash and a buddy who was also heavily armed,

[Danimal]

I am also one of those avid firearms enthusiat that does not feel an overwhelming need to be armed 24/7. In fact, I am 42 years old and still do not have a concealed carry permit. If you have met me or been around me there is a very high likelihood that I was unarmed. While I understand that something could potentially happen at any time, I feel the odds of me ever needing to use deadly force in my lifetime are very,very low.

I have to say that you are putting too much emphasis on what it means to CCW. You are thinking that the only possible condition to which you would deploy a weapon would be in a life or death situation. That is not completely true. The second day that I had my CCW I saw a lady hit a deer with her car. She was crying and all upset and we were half way between Monarch summit and Gunnison. The deer was still alive and kicking but had a broken back and there would be no other LE there for quite some time. I dragged the deer off of the road and when she drove away I put it down. I tell you this because I look at the gun in the same way I look at my multi-tool that I carry for my work. It has a thousand uses beyond life and death situations involving humans. This would not have to be a CCW situation if you happen to have a gun in the car, but I find that I am a million times more likely to bring a gun where I go if I know that I don't have to leave it in the car.

Another example was on a few months ago at my parents house I was stepping out onto the carport and I hear this woman yell something. It was about dark so I started to look around to see what was going on. Turns out her 100 lb Rottweiler was running right toward me and she was yelling at it to come home. I almost crapped my pants. I did not have a gun with me and I would have been unable to get back in the house before it got to me by the time that I realized what was going on. Fortunately it turned around and ran back into the darkness. But my parents told me that the dog was just recently put down because it bit their trash guy. That could have been me and that was one mean ass looking dog.

Im not trying to badger you ray, but I get a little upset when I hear people say that they don't CCW because they don't think that they will need to kill anyone. CCW is about being able to, and trusted to carry a tool capable of lethal force, but along with that comes other protections and responsibilities.