Libya, Mogadishu, WTF

[Bailey Guns]

I'll say it again. The response was fucked up by the numbers but I don't buy for a second that it was plotted by our Government.

I agree. From what I've heard and read it was purely a case of extreme incompetence on the part of the administration and various cabinet-level individuals.

[BPTactical]

A "blown call" explains a football game, not an Embassy being over run and the loss of four Americans.

Too many competent people knew what was going on as it happened.
Of course if it is due to gross incompetence then what other reason do the American people need to fire the entire rotten lot?

[tmleadr03]

The term "broken arrow" aside (I've never heard that term used in a serious context. I'm unconvinced that it is a current brevity code.)...

What exactly are you looking for? These are incidents that were over in hours and have almost no relation to each other tactically.

Mogadishu was a raid conducted by a SOTF that went sideways due to enemy activity (shooting down helicopters). TF Ranger did an extraordinary job of maintaining cohesiveness and tactical initiative. 2-14, 10th Mtn and the Malaysians and Pakis were brought in to assist that same evening and things were wrapped up by early the following morning.

Benghazi was a defense of fixed positions and an evacuation conducted by security personnel. More security personnel were on the ground in about 4hrs.

So again, what exactly are you looking for?

http://networkedblogs.com/DYoiv

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...k-sources-say/

[tmleadr03]

This is going to get really ugly for the administration.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/26...o-let-it-fire/

[Mick-Boy]

A "blown call" explains a football game, not an Embassy being over run and the loss of four Americans.

Too many competent people knew what was going on as it happened.
Of course if it is due to gross incompetence then what other reason do the American people need to fire the entire rotten lot?

Unfortunately there has been a culture of extreme risk aversion built into our military leaders over the last decade. At the end of the day someone has to be willing to step up and give the "go". In this case we saw the buck get passed all the way up the chain.. then it just sat. There's a time and place for "letting a tactical situation develop". It's also (over)used as an excuse to sit on your hands and thereby protect your career from a bad call. This doesn't just happen with politicians boys.

[Mick-Boy]

http://networkedblogs.com/DYoiv

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...k-sources-say/

I read them. What's your point?

[Bailey Guns]

This is going to get really ugly for the administration.

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/26...o-let-it-fire/

I hope you're right but color me skeptical. The administration is pretty effectively shielded by big media. I don't see this getting a lot of traction by ABC, CBS, NBC or CNN. It's either buried or not on the front page of the websites at all.

It is front page news on Fox.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I also don't believe it was orchestrated. This administration is far too incomptetent for anything like that even if their egos won't let them admit it. I find it far more likely that Obama didn't care, Axelrod was more concerned about his poll numbers and Jarrett only cared about the fundraiser.

It was refreshing to hear the complete outrage in Kirsten Powers' voice today but I've respected her as an honest liberal for some time now.

[BPTactical]

I don't believe the actual event was orchestrated, but the lack of response across the board cannot be due to "incompetence"......
How could anybody possibly believe that many organizations, organizations that are here to ensure the safety and security of American citizens are that incompetent?
Maybe I put 2 and 2 together and get 5 sometimes but this entire mess has a stench to it.

[bogie]

Any chance the administration was worried about the 20,000 unaccounted-for shoulder-fired SAMs when pondering an airstrike? This opens up the possibility for another moga-douche-u very close to the election.

I'm not saying anything other than this may have been going through their thick skulls.