Libya, Mogadishu, WTF

[Fmedges]

How credible is this?

[Zundfolge]

More and more I'm convinced that the administration DID organize Benghazi. Yes, I just accused the POTUS of treason.

The simple fact is that there are too many redundancies in place for everyone to have dropped the ball and nobody doing anything to save our ambassador. The ONLY way this happens is if there were orders from on high to "STAND DOWN". Period.

So there's two possible reasons for this (or a combination of the two):

1. The administration has been arming the Muslim Brotherhood and destabilizing the middle east and doing "the lords work" to bring about the Islamic Caliphate. Chris Stevens was in on the whole thing and either was considered a loose end or was going to be a whistle blower so the administration ordered the Muslim Brotherhood to kill him.
2. The administration planned a caper where the Muslim Brotherhood KIDNAPPED ambassador Stevens and then Barry would get to play hero again by ordering SEALs in to rescue the ambassador and this would help Obama get re-elected.

Either way, I blame Obama personally for this fiasco.

[BPTactical]

I will take option 2 for $100.00...

[Mick-Boy]

More and more I'm convinced that the administration DID organize Benghazi. Yes, I just accused the POTUS of treason.

"You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity" - Robert Heinlein "Logic of Empire"

Please see my earlier post about risk aversion and today's military. People "pass the buck" all the time so they won't be responsible if the situation goes bad.

But hey, believe what you want.

[BushMasterBoy]

I blame the ambassador. If I don't have enough security, I don't move. The ambassador calls the shots for his own safety. I'd tell Hillary to wake up on this one! I scared the hell out her one night in Arkansas...

[Sharpienads]

I blame the ambassador. If I don't have enough security, I don't move. The ambassador calls the shots for his own safety. I'd tell Hillary to wake up on this one! I scared the hell out her one night in Arkansas...

You scared Hellary? Sounds like a good story... Go on...

[bogie]

No need for tinfoil. History says that presidents do this sort of thing.

Dogs are smarter than their tails...
if the tails were smarter, the tail would wag the dog

[tmckay2]

A little too paranoid for my tastes, unless you believe 9/11 was a set up by bush too. Sometimes people are just stupid and make bad decisions. Pretty simple really.

[Troublco]

Some people believe everything, others nothing...

The truth usually lies somewhere in the middle.

[Mick-Boy]

I wasn't sure whether to post this in the original thread about the attack on the consulate in Benghazi or in this one. I went with this one because of all the discussions about conspiracy.

The House Armed Services Committee has released some of their findings. Those of you who were screaming that this was a preplanned betrayal of Americans might want to give the report (or at least the Soldier Systems summary) a read.

http://soldiersystems.net/2014/02/14...port-benghazi/

HASC Releases Interim Report on Benghazi

I’ve essentially remained quiet on the events that transpired on Banghazi, Libya on September 11th, 2012. This is based on two issues. First, very soon after the event, I was privy to information that has just recently come to light. Second, I didn’t have all of the information regarding this tragedy and I still don’t. On one hand, I didn’t want to disclose who may or may not have been on the battlespace that night and on the other, there’s nothing that will make you look more like a fool than making declarative statements about situations you don’t have the facts on. However, I now have the House Armed Services Committee report entitled, “Majority Interim Report: Benghazi Investigation Update.” I’d say that’s a good point to start talking, armed with, you know, “facts”. Having said that, two caveats with this report. From the summary, “This report should be considered one component of continuing comprehensive Benghazi-related oversight underway in the U.S. House of Representatives. In keeping with the committee’s jurisdiction, however, this document addresses only the activities and actions of personnel in DOD.” By no means is the info the final word, but it does begin to allow us to peer deeper into what happened from DoD’s perspective.

It was a sad day for America and we lost some great folks. Many want to lay blame, but blame isn’t going to bring those men back. Generally, it isn’t one thing that goes wrong, but a whole chain of events with several issues coalescing into disaster. As far as I can tell, I’m the only guy who wants to take a serious look at what happened, for the sake of making sure it doesn’t happen again. It seems that everyone else talking about this has some agenda.

Since that day, the event has been politicized and I have watched countless armchair generals talk about things they don’t understand; Internet experts fueled by propaganda and spin doctors. I hate to lay it on most of you, but your sister-in-law’s nephew’s best friend who is a Spec-4 truck driver stationed at Fort Polk is not an authoritative source on US force projection. I could spend hours and hours talking about the subject but sufficed to say, when attempting to project force to the location of Benghazi, Libya, the United States is a victim of the tyranny of distance. You’ll see this issue come up over and over in this report. What’s more, while it does happen on a case-by-case basis, QRFs do not sit on strip alert just waiting for a crisis, despite what you might see in the movies. Even if they had, they would have been quite some distance from Benghazi (see ‘tyranny of distance’), as you will see in the report. You’ll read about three different groups dispatched to the region in the wake of the attacks and some of the challenges they faced to get there. Additionally, we don’t commit forces to ‘suicide’ missions and rarely, if ever attempt forced entry without a clear operational picture of the situation. As you will find in the report, this was not the case. DoD did not enjoy a clear operational picture. This hindered the military’s ability to respond.

Despite this, they did take action. Several, in fact.

The first step DOD took upon learning of the attack involved a U.S. drone that was overflying Darnah, a city in northeastern Libya. AFRICOM’s operations officer immediately redirected the unarmed Predator to Benghazi, which was about an hour’s flight time away. Separately, following the meeting in the White House, Secretary Panetta (in consultation with General Ham, General Dempsey, and others) verbally authorized three specific actions. First, two Marine FAST platoons in Rota, Spain were ordered to prepare to deploy; one bound for Benghazi and one destined for Tripoli. Second, a special operations unit assigned to the European Command, known as a Commander’s In-Extremis Force (CIF), which was training in Croatia was ordered to move to a U.S. Naval Air Station in Sigonella, Italy and await further instructions. Third, a special operations unit in the United States was also dispatched to the region. These orders were issued approximately two to four hours after the initial attack on the Special Mission Compound.

Of particular interest to me is that there is no indication of a cabal within DoD set to destroy America from within or a decision by senior leaders to ‘let Americans die’. Rather, we see the same problems we constantly face; the fog of war and interagency stovepipes. We may have gone a long way to mitigate those issues within the CENTCOM AOR but in the other theaters they remain.

The findings are the most significant issue at hand. While not exhaustive, and omitting certain operational factors such as the units of assignment for those personnel actually on the ground, it is clear about DoD issues at hand that day and during the immediate aftermath. It also indicates which issues are the responsibility of both State and the White House. In fact, it discusses State’s request to reduce the Tripoli-based DoD Security Support Team from 16 to 4. However, please remember that Tripoli is over 600 miles by land from Benghazi (see tyranny of distance). It remains unclear if a larger force would have changed the outcome of the attack.


Findings

I. In assessing military posture in anticipation of the September 11 anniversary, White House officials failed to comprehend or ignored the dramatically deteriorating security situation in Libya and the growing threat to U.S. interests in the region. Official public statements seem to have exaggerated the extent and rigor of the security assessment conducted at the time.

II. U.S. personnel in Benghazi were woefully vulnerable in September 2012 because
a.) the administration did not direct a change in military force posture,
b.) there was no intelligence of a specific “imminent” threat in Libya, and
c.) the Department of State, which has primary responsibility for diplomatic security, favored a reduction of Department of Defense security personnel in Libya before the attack.

III. Defense Department officials believed nearly from the outset of violence in Benghazi that it was a terrorist attack rather than a protest gone awry, and the President subsequently permitted the military to respond with minimal direction.

IV. The U.S. military’s response to the Benghazi attack was severely degraded because of the location and readiness posture of U.S. forces, and because of lack of clarity about how the terrorist action was unfolding. However, given the uncertainty about the prospective length and scope of the attack, military commanders did not take all possible steps to prepare for a more extended operation.

V. There was no “stand down” order issued to U.S. military personnel in Tripoli who sought to join the fight in Benghazi. However, because official reviews after the attack were not sufficiently comprehensive, there was confusion about the roles and responsibilities of these individuals.

VI. The Department of Defense is working to correct many weaknesses revealed by the Benghazi attack, but the global security situation is still deteriorating and military resources continue to decline.

I know, I know, this is Soldier Systems Daily and I rarely comment on operational issues but this has been something I have been following for some time. As the old adage goes, “Amateurs talk about tactics, but professionals study logistics.” It is my assertion that the events in Beghazi are just as much a function of logistics as they are bad, pre-crisis decision making. While Nathan Bedford Forrest (Lt Gen, CSA) was misquoted with “Git thar fustest with the most mostest,” the sentiment is apropos. That is certainly what transpired in this case. The bad guys got there first and were gone before we could project any serious combat power to the area.

Feel free to read the whole thing and then comment. All I ask is this, keep it on point. There are loads of websites out there where inappropriate and off topic comments are the norm. If you feel the need to express yourself that way, please go there.

http://armedservices.house.gov/index...A-0045A6433426