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    Respectfully, IMHO a small revolver is the BEST choice for a novice to CCW. They don't jam, ever, unless something goes horribly wrong with bad ammo or broken springs. No safety to fiddle with. Very simple operation.

    As for "shooting well", most use of a handgun for SD occurs well within 10 feet (I think the average was 7 ft) and, statistically, the rounds fired will not be accurate anyway due to stress and movement.

    The only two caveats with a wheelgun are that lightweight frames with +P ammo deliver punishing recoil, and revolvers with a full hammer spur can snag on clothing. So if you don't have a hammerless or CH steel framed revolver it is best to load with standard velocity ammo and have the hammer spur bobbed off. Many of the negligent discharges with revolvers involved the hammer being cocked for SA shooting resulting in a super light trigger pull, or the person slipping while decocking over a live round. A novice has no business messing around with SA in a snub revolver anyway -- that is only intended for accurate aimed shots at distances of 30 ft or more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zundfolge View Post
    At any rate, a small revolver is NOT a good gun for novices. Other than stuffing them into someone's belly and pulling the trigger five times, you're not going to shoot it well unless you practice a lot (same goes with any small gun, but tiny DA revolvers have a steeper learning curve). I cringe every time I see someone recommending a J-Frame sized wheel gun to an inexperienced woman.

    The main reason to pack a wheel gun is because either you're better at shooting it than an auto or you're packing a magnum or big bore because you want the extra power. Otherwise, there are just too many quality CCW automatics designed for use by novices to saddle "the little lady" with a J Frame just because it says "Lady Smith" on the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawin View Post
    I think the OP may have failed to recognize the DA/SA semi auto's that are available out there. Look at the CZ75 p-01 for instance. It can be carried with 1 in the chamber, uncocked, and still be fired by simply pulling the trigger (like a revolver). With DA/SA semi-autos available, I see no reason to carry a revolver, but that's just my opinion.
    ^ I will build upon this...

    A revolver is no better with reliability than a well built semi auto. That is one thing I have learned so far with my time at this gunsmithing school and from talking to the instructors (who worked at the factories or had their own shop).

    I will use Hk for my example...

    I see no reason to carry a revolver (using the hammer down on an empty chamber notion) as I can rack the slide on my Hk, and then use the decocker to let the hammer down safely. At that point, my Hk is exactly like a revolver using the double action trigger pull to fire off the first round, and (unlike a revolver) I have twelve more rounds of 45 acp to follow if needed (or 8 in my wife's gun). Some semi autos are better than others. As others have said and I say, if you're gona carry (using the gun for self protection), you should carry the best, and to me, nothing I have owned has beaten the USP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spyder View Post
    ^ I will build upon this...

    A revolver is no better with reliability than a well built semi auto. That is one thing I have learned so far with my time at this gunsmithing school and from talking to the instructors (who worked at the factories or had their own shop).

    I will use Hk for my example...

    I see no reason to carry a revolver (using the hammer down on an empty chamber notion) as I can rack the slide on my Hk, and then use the decocker to let the hammer down safely. At that point, my Hk is exactly like a revolver using the double action trigger pull to fire off the first round, and (unlike a revolver) I have twelve more rounds of 45 acp to follow if needed (or 8 in my wife's gun). Some semi autos are better than others. As others have said and I say, if you're gona carry (using the gun for self protection), you should carry the best, and to me, nothing I have owned has beaten the USP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clint45 View Post
    Respectfully, IMHO a small revolver is the BEST choice for a novice to CCW. They don't jam, ever, unless something goes horribly wrong with bad ammo or broken springs.
    They can jam. The ends of the arms wear, or break off as a couple examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spyder View Post
    They can jam. The ends of the arms wear, or break off as a couple examples.
    True, but that is a mechanical failure due to stress and fatigue.

    Even a good quality automatic in perfect condition can jam if there is a hard primer or the pistol is fired limp wristed. A novice may not acquire a proper stance under stress, nor may they be able to clear a jam quickly if they are being attacked.

    I had one revolver jam due to primers backing out of aluminum cases, and another jam due to a 40 year old mainspring that was dry as a bone. Those are the only two jams I've ever had with a revolver. I've had dozens of jams with pistols, even once with a Glock. Sometimes it can be cleared, other times it can't.

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