Minimal CCW Training

[Great-Kazoo]

I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND that type of class.

These people are the ones that are going to screw it up for everyone. I feel very unsafe with under trained people carrying guns.

If for some reason you need to protect yourself and have to face a lawyer in a court room I can hear it now:



As an NRA Instructor I would recommend you take a class from an Instructor that is not out to make a quick buck.

while i agree with all you have posted keep in mind a hunter safety card is the min requirement for obtaining a CCW.
i don't feel thats enough (Flame ON)

With that said when i do a CCW class its no more than 2 students ,
classroom and lots of range time. my main concern is, that one who considers getting a CCW think hard about the ramifications of using deadly force.
sure everyone is entitled to own a gun but actually carry one thats a different game.
yes i'll get slammed by the minions for my "belief" but in reality we all know someone who shouldn't own much less be near a gun. should those same folks carry one ?

[Jason]

while i agree with all you have posted keep in mind a hunter safety card is the min requirement for obtaining a CCW.
i don't feel thats enough (Flame ON)

With that said when i do a CCW class its no more than 2 students ,
classroom and lots of range time. my main concern is, that one who considers getting a CCW think hard about the ramifications of using deadly force.
sure everyone is entitled to own a gun but actually carry one thats a different game.
yes i'll get slammed by the minions for my "belief" but in reality we all know someone who shouldn't own much less be near a gun. should those same folks carry one ?

I agree with you 100%... I am also a Utah Instructor and the training requirement is spelled out very nicely.

[BadShot]

Sorry, that pesky Amendment doesn't allow you or anyone to determine who should be allowed to be near a gun. So yeah, as a fellow instructor I've seen students who need MORE training and MORE attention from us.. but short of a serious mental handicap or a fellony, I'll just disagree.

Then again I'm also a strong proponent of train, train and train again and I push that belief on the shooters I instruct.

[Great-Kazoo]

Sorry, that pesky Amendment doesn't allow you or anyone to determine who should be allowed to be near a gun. So yeah, as a fellow instructor I've seen students who need MORE training and MORE attention from us.. but short of a serious mental handicap or a fellony, I'll just disagree.

Then again I'm also a strong proponent of train, train and train again and I push that belief on the shooters I instruct.

i too believe in train/practice practice practice.
it's my certification and my choice (there's a familiar saying) who i decide to teach or not. you can sign off on anyone that ask, i don't. its not the amendment i'm taking issue with. it's the acceptable level of training or lack of, being advertised as YOUR ONE STOP CCW SHOP
come on, get your certificate on line. you condone that?

[wyzardd]

Gotta agree with Karl (although with fewer exclamation points) and BadShot. The individual is responsible for seeking out training if they feel it's necessary, the State should not mandate it.
I'm sure it's purely coincidental, but it seems to me that (aside from liberals) the people who stand to make money from requiring ever more training are the most vocal in proclaiming that John and Jane Q. Public are incompetent.

Of course, we all are highly trained and trustworthy, it's them that shouldn't be allowed to carry. Battered woman needs to defend herself? Better require a 2-day, $2000 class first. And maybe a 5 day waiting period while we're at it, just to make sure she understands the responsibility she's going to take on.

[Great-Kazoo]

those who didn't have the backbone to put through a statewide CCW after Columbine have put us where we are today. while that one wasn't perfect it had more support and less regulation then the current one in place today.
the rights we have vs. the rights we're given are here because the californication of CO has taken us down this path. plus the weak turn out every election year.
how many here vote every election?

yes the individual should seek out instruction if they feel they need it. and not be mandated. thats due to weak gov officials who bend to opinion vs. what their constituitents say. until that time we're stuck with having to get some form of certification before the permit's issued. could be worse. we could be dealing with the shall issue by county sheriff at their whim instead of the statewide system in place now.

[abert]

When I started this thread it was just a practical question of where I could find the least expensive method to get the "paper" necessary for a CCW.

It seems to have expanded into some very good discussion on rights and responsibilities. In the end it all comes down to what the individual feels they need. Some may need a review of the law, some practical training, some might like some advance training. As far as the law goes if you need to shoot someone, as long as you are in the law you are protected – it doesn’t matter if you never had a class because you are current military (even if you never qualified with a handgun) or took an at home course or spent a full week in classroom studies and running live fire drills in the mud. As far as law goes it's all the same paper certification to cover the CCW requirements. The only two questions you need to ask yourself are do I know the law cold and do I have the skill and resolve to use a handgun. How you answer the questions should point you to what you need to do.

I tend to agree with the posters who feel that once you let the STATE determine requirements then your rights soon become privileges - how long before the requirements change, become more difficult - impossible. It’s only been four years since the new CCW law and we have already lost the use of out of state CCW licenses (FL) - you can just bet more changes are on the way (and not for the better).

As for myself, well this weekend I got lucky as my neighbor, who's son is a Handgun Instructor with the CO State Patrol did a private all day class for a few of us - for free! The best part was the review of the law from a LEO perspective and also picked up a new close quarters technique on the range. It provided some nice extras, but in the end certification is certification and that $50 at home certification would have been just fine with me!

[Roger]

Sorry I'm late as usual.

I'm an NRA Training Counselar, which means not only am I an instructor, but I can train instructors.

Colorado is an intersting place.

1) Be sure you have a real instructor.
2) Get copies of his credential and include them with your application. Make sure the credentials are from an accredited organization, and that they are not expired.
3) Take a real in-person class.
4) Ask for a live fire session even if its not required.
5) Keep your targets and have your instructor sign and date them if possible.

Some counties require the NRA Basic Pistol Class. Some will allow the Home Firearms Safety Class. Since the statute says you must take a safety class. But I would take a handgun specific class that way there is no doubt as to what you took.

I was a Utah instructor as well. Now that Colorado will no longer recognize out of state permits for Colorado residents, I let it lapse. Although Flordia was my personal favorite. It still has value if you're traveling as it has or had some reciprocity that Colorado lacked.

Know that a basic class is just that. You check the box and you can get a permit. It does not necessarily teach you anything about actually using a gun in a gunfight. After you get the required for permit class done, then go take a real defensive handgun class or 'tactical' pistol class. Shoot lots of ammo and learn how to shoot under stress and in wierd places or positions.

Then practice as often as you can. Only then will you really be ready to carry a concealed handgun effectively.

And remember, don't skimp on holsters and magazine pouches. They mean as much or more then the gun sometimes.

[TINCUP AL]

Roger hit the nail on the head. Very few basic classes really teach you anything at all. It satisfies the requirement to get your permit, but you are not really learning anything. Carrying a gun for self defense is a huge responsibility and should not be taken lightly. You owe it to yourself to get some decent training and you definately need to practice and train with your handgun. It is unbelievable to me the number of classes out there that don't even require the student to fire their gun. These types of classes shouldn't even be allowed in my opinion. The bottom line is find a good instructor with a good class and then practice, practice, practice. Good luck.

[ferdelance]

PDSS is an excellent defensive shooting school . they have a private range and for the ccw it is $80.00 time depends on the person taking the class.
They also have a level I and level II a tactical carbine, shotgun,terrorest interdition course. The owner is a retired X Spec Ops army dude.
I took the whole enchiloda. This dude is good. He has multple targets rolling on the ground and he gets your heart pumped up and let me tell you that make a big differance when that happens . This what happens when your adrenaline kicks in.he explains it all
call Ed 719- 659-9858.the best realistic training Ive seen around here.
those cheep class are CRAP