Obama Was Complicit In The Killing Of Americans in Libya

[Bailey Guns]

There's no other way to put it. He should be arrested and charged with treason. I hate this man more and more every day. And I hate the major, liberal-dominated media news outlets even more for not giving this the proper coverage. Where will it end?

Obama Fires Top Admiral For Advocating Libyan Rescue?

According to this report, yesterday (27 October) Obama ordered the immediate removal of Rear Admiral Charles M. Gaouette from his command of the powerful Carrier Strike Group Three (CSG-3) currently located in the Middle East.

CSG-3 is one of five US Navy carrier strike groups currently assigned to the US Pacific Fleet. US Navy carrier strike groups are employed in a variety of roles, which involve gaining and maintaining sea control and projecting power ashore, as well as projecting naval airpower ashore.

The aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN-74) is the strike group’s current flagship, and as of 2012, other units assigned to Carrier Strike Group Three include Carrier Air Wing Nine; the guided-missile cruisers USS Mobile Bay (CG-53) and USS Antietam (CG-54); and the ships of Destroyer Squadron 21, the guided-missile destroyers USS Wayne E. Meyer (DDG-108), USS Dewey (DDG-105), USS Kidd (DDG-100), and USS Milius (DDG-69).

US news reports on Obama’s unprecedented firing of a powerful US Navy Commander during wartime state that Admiral Gaouette’s removal was for “allegations of inappropriate leadership judgment” that arose during the strike group’s deployment to the Middle East.

This GRU report, however, states that Admiral Gaouette’s firing by President Obama was due to this strike force commander disobeying orders when he ordered his forces on 11 September to “assist and provide intelligence for” American military forces ordered into action by US Army General Carter Ham, who was then the commander of the United States Africa Command (AFRICOM), against terrorist forces attacking the American Consulate in Benghazi, Libya.


General Ham had been in command of the initial 2011 US-NATO military intervention in Libya who, like Admiral Gaouette, was fired by Obama. And as we can, in part, read from US military insider accounts of this growing internal conflict between the White House and US Military leaders:

“The information I heard today was that General [Carter] Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.

General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.”

Also, interesting call to Limbaugh's show:

[Teufelhund]

Sounds straight out of Red October.

Citizen's arrest? I'm in. You drive.

[Bailey Guns]

I wish.

[Rucker61]

Since when do military commanders expect to disobey orders of their superiors and get away with it? Was it an act of moral courage? I expect so. Can we let our military leaders get away with these types of actions? Not according to the oath we all took. Note that we don't have all of the information regarding the situation. But feel free to think so.

[Bailey Guns]

I'm sorry. I missed the part where someone said it was permissible for military commanders to disobey orders from the civilians appointed over them.

The point of the thread was that:

• Obama, the lying SOB that he is, knew what was going on and made a conscious decision NOT to assist American citizens in Libya.
• In addition, the major media outlets are completely in the tank for Obama and are refusing to cover the story in detail.

You can now go back to your regularly scheduled defense of Obama.

[Rucker61]

I'm sorry. I missed the part where someone said it was permissible for military commanders to disobey orders from the civilians appointed over them.

Point granted. That said, do you feel that Obama was within his rights as commander in chief to remove a disobedient commander? Did you ever serve?

The point of the thread was that:

• Obama, the lying SOB that he is, knew what was going on and made a conscious decision NOT to assist American citizens in Libya.
• In addition, the major media outlets are completely in the tank for Obama and are refusing to cover the story in detail.

You can now go back to your regularly scheduled defense of Obama.

Man, you jump to a lot of conclusions with the bare minimum of anecdotes. You don't know everything that was going on, and you never will, but please go back to your constant tin-foil hat persecution.

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[spqrzilla]

Obama would have been within his powers to remove a commander for disobeying orders - although its not clear to me that AFRICOM was removed for that. Still up in the air.

But Obama claims he didn't order any one not to respond.

If Obama did order no response, or ordered that no one answer the calls up the chain for air support, then he should be impeached.

[Bailey Guns]

Point granted. That said, do you feel that Obama was within his rights as commander in chief to remove a disobedient commander? Did you ever serve?

Not that it matters but, yes...14 years in the AF.

Now to your direct question about Obama's authority to remove a disobedient commander: Yes. There's no question he has that authority.

But the real question is were those commanders removed for good cause or were they removed to protect Obama from the decisions he made re: the incident in Benghazi? I submit it was the later.

Man, you jump to a lot of conclusions with the bare minimum of anecdotes. You don't know everything that was going on, and you never will, but please go back to your constant tin-foil hat persecution.

Here are some more exciting news stories from your source:

Nice attempt at deflection with your straw man argument. I don't recall referencing any of those other articles you posted. Rather than attack the sources I chose to use (especially with snippets from articles that have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion) why don't you try to dispute the merits of the information given by those sources?

And to your point that I used a "bare minimum" of anecdotes, there's plenty of other information from various sources out there if you're of a mind to look. So how many should I have posted? 5? 15? 25? What's the appropriate number to effectively illustrate a point?

I guess I could've looked for something from a "credible" news source like the NYT ()...but that's part of the problem now, isn't it? The mainstream sources are protecting Obama.

[Great-Kazoo]

The mainstream sources are protecting Obama.

PROTECTING??????????
The MSM has made this Fact disappear better than Jimmy Hoffa.
%^&* How he gets away with this shit is beyond unbelievable. He gets re-elected and i doubt there will be enough lube for Americas anal raping by him, soros and that religion of peace.


Monky, your thoughts??

[T-Giv]

I have been stocking up on lube since 08 and I still don't think I have enough! I have paying so much damn money in taxes that my lube budget has diminished to a mere tube per pay check!