Obama Was Complicit In The Killing Of Americans in Libya

[Monky]

I have been stocking up on lube since 08 and I still don't think I have enough! I have paying so much damn money in taxes that my lube budget has diminished to a mere tube per pay check!

You poor bastard.. you don't get to use it.. just save it..

[BPTactical]

If Obama did order no response, or ordered that no one answer the calls up the chain for air support, then he should be impeached.

Agreed.

I heard an interesting theory: Stevens could have been a pawn in a "swap" for the "Blind Sheik". It is pretty well thought that there have been negotiations for him for a while.
Arrainge a group of muzzies to "attack" the consulate, Stevens gets kidnapped, O negotiates a swap for him for the BS and O is a foreign affairs genius and American hero.
October surprise.
But they didn't anticipate two former SEALs and a contractor stepping into the mix and sending things afoul.
They watched it unfold and did nothing. Ham and Gouett(sp) probably knew what was going on and had assets ready to go but they either got no orders or were ordered to stand down as well. Probably doesn't set too well with them.
Blaming the youtube clip was a diversion tactic meant to pacify the unthinking masses. It has been confirmed apparently that prior to 9/11 it had only 17 views, and that it had been posted in June. 17 hits in 3 months?
Also the idea that they picked the most ridiculous thing they could, that way it would divert attention from some of the more legitimate radical films.
Now it is really unraveling on them.
Interesting thought.
Something definitely stinks.

If heaven forbid O gets a second, I would think it could get really messy for him with the continued birth certificate question, his former and current associations, F&F, Benghazi etc, etc..
It is in his best interest to be beaten.

[Fmedges]

Since when do military commanders expect to disobey orders of their superiors and get away with it? Was it an act of moral courage? I expect so. Can we let our military leaders get away with these types of actions? Not according to the oath we all took. Note that we don't have all of the information regarding the situation. But feel free to think so.

We both know that the military can be as political as it gets. I believe if this turned out differently and this man's actions saved lives then he would be viewed as making the right decision. Unfortunately for the men killed and for him it didn't turn out that way.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Since when do military commanders expect to disobey orders of their superiors and get away with it? Was it an act of moral courage? I expect so. Can we let our military leaders get away with these types of actions? Not according to the oath we all took. Note that we don't have all of the information regarding the situation. But feel free to think so.

“I, (state your name), having been appointed a (rank) in the United States (branch of service), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foriegn and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the office upon which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

Nothing in there about orders. The phrase "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice" is in the Oath of Enlistment, not Oath of Office.

Military commanders are taught to obey all legal orders -- and to question unethical ones. In fact, disobeying an immoral order is something that is covered repeatedly in Professional Military Education although students are also taught to be prepared to suffer the consequences of such disobedience.

PME case studies frequently point out the problem with not having complete information and seemingly-suicidal orders may in fact be necessary for the greater good and to save more lives than are being sacrificed so there aren't any stock answers. At this moment, I can't fathom any set of information that would justify abandoning the ambassador or other Americans under the publicly available information so far.

The problem WE have is that we don't have all the information so we don't know why the admiral was removed from command and the firing of Gen Ham is simply unsupported speculation so far. The caller in this case is providing additional information that make it more plausible (but not certain) someone may have been removed because he decided to an order to abandon US citizens was immoral and potentially illegal.

Having said all that, I'm astounded at your readiness to defend an order to abandon fellow Americans in an attack like this.

[Colorado Luckydog]

Did you ever serve?

Did you? If you did, you are one of the very very few that have served (or is currently serving) in our great military that would vote for our current Commander In Chief.

Our current Commander In Chief would let thousands of infidels die, rather than piss off one radical muslim.

He's a fucking idiot!!

[USAFGopherMike]

Nothing in there about orders. The phrase "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice" is in the Oath of Enlistment, not Oath of Office.

Military commanders are taught to obey all legal orders -- and to question unethical ones. In fact, disobeying an immoral order is something that is covered repeatedly in Professional Military Education although students are also taught to be prepared to suffer the consequences of such disobedience.

PME case studies frequently point out the problem with not having complete information and seemingly-suicidal orders may in fact be necessary for the greater good and to save more lives than are being sacrificed so there aren't any stock answers. At this moment, I can't fathom any set of information that would justify abandoning the ambassador or other Americans under the publicly available information so far.

The problem WE have is that we don't have all the information so we don't know why the admiral was removed from command and the firing of Gen Ham is simply unsupported speculation so far. The caller in this case is providing additional information that make it more plausible (but not certain) someone may have been removed because he decided to an order to abandon US citizens was immoral and potentially illegal.

Having said all that, your readiness to defend an order to abandon fellow Americans in an attack like this leads me to believe you made the right decision to separate.

^ This is the most credible post in this thread. That said... The whole situation stinks of coverup. If you don't think that the administration and MSM is purposely avoiding it and giving it little consideration because of the election, you're an idiot and shouldn't be allowed to vote, own a gun, or drive because you're a hazard to yourself and others around you, not to mention the gene pool. Knowing how these things work, we're going to have to wait for these to General Officers to retire before we'll get the truth, and even then, it may never happen. CNN is running some bullshit story that an unnamed CIA spokesperson told them there was never a standdown order. If that were true, why were the two G.O.s releved?

[USAFGopherMike]

Did you? If you did, you are one of the very very few that have served (or is currently serving) in our great military that would vote for our current Commander In Chief.

Our current Commander In Chief would let thousands of infidels die, rather than piss off one radical muslim.

He's a fucking idiot!!

You'd be surprised how many young dems there are in the military. The wifey and I argue with them every other day. Some of them are my friends, others are just coworkers. I will not be voting for him, that's for sure.

[Fmedges]

You'd be surprised how many young dems there are in the military. The wifey and I argue with them every other day. Some of them are my friends, others are just coworkers. I will not be voting for him, that's for sure.

True Story

[Singlestack]

As this story continues to unravel, what is amazing is the facts are being uncovered by Jennifer Griffin and Catherin Herridge of Fox News. This is investigative journalism at its finest, and something we rarely see these days. What passes for journalism these days is a joke, by and large.

The latest yesterday was a letter from Ambassador Stevens to Hillary Clinton on 8/16 detailing the identified terrorist elements in Benghazi, stating the consulate could not withstand a coordinated attack, and requesting additional security to protect the consulate. Lots of questions should also be directed to the Sec of State.

The Dems have a lot to lose here. Not only blowback on Beeho as commander in chief, but also Clinton, who many dems are trying to position for a 2016 run at the white house. If investigation turns up she specifically denied security to the consulate, that could be potentially devastating to 2016.

Singlestack

[USAFGopherMike]

Not only blowback on Beeho as commander in chief, but also Clinton, who many dems are trying to position for a 2016 run at the white house. If investigation turns up she specifically denied security to the consulate, that could be potentially devastating to 2016.

Singlestack

God, I hope so.