Well...looks like I got taken. No Police help.

[WETWRKS]

Rule 1. You need a PO box.
Rule 2. Don't buy a gun unless you've seen it.
Rule 3. Give all the details you can about the transaction.. So even if you can't figure something else none of the rest of us will do business with him.

1. ok...would have stopped him from shipping to me directly. Would NOT have changed the fact that I haven't received everything as agreed on nor would it have chenged that this isn't the gun from the photo.

2. Ok. That limits you to sellers in your area. Also limits what firearms are available to you.

3. I have been jumped for giving out too much info on a seller in the past. I will give name and city only.

Michael Moritomo
Phoenix Arizona

*If the mods feel this is inappropriate they are free to edit that info*

[WETWRKS]

So can we ask what gun you purchased and what pieces should have been missing? Then what was contained in the two boxes?

It was an HK21

Should have been without the bolt and without the lowers and trigger pack.

So far I am missing most everything but the upper, the lowers (empty), the barrel, and the feed tray.

The agreement included a complete gun minus the lowers and the bolt needed to be replaced. It was also to include 5 belts including ammo.

So...missing basically all the guts and feed mechanisms, belts and ammo.

[BuffCyclist]

Well I know absolutely nothing of HKs, but if they're anything like ARs... It sounds like you ordered an upper, lower parts kit, stock kit and grip and broken bcg. Perhaps someone that knows HKs can chime in...

Post pics that you should have received, and what you actually received and we can determine if it was misrepresented.

[WETWRKS]

Here is the photo he sent me:



which I found is direct off the manufacturers website here:

http://www.rdts.com/HK_Upgrades.html

I will try and get better photos of what I was sent tomorrow but here is one of the ones I have now:

[BuffCyclist]

Like I said, I'm no expert on HKs, but those look like two entirely different models. Perhaps he misidentified it?

Was the price too good to be true? Whenever I am buying a firearm online from a private party and they have a stock photo listed (very rarely as I usually don't bother with those people), I ask to see multiple photos from different angles and all sides.

[WETWRKS]

Like I said, I'm no expert on HKs, but those look like two entirely different models. Perhaps he misidentified it?

Was the price too good to be true? Whenever I am buying a firearm online from a private party and they have a stock photo listed (very rarely as I usually don't bother with those people), I ask to see multiple photos from different angles and all sides.

No, the price was in the ballpark for needing the 2 parts replaced. Frankly it was basically spot on. I didn't know it was a stock photo until after he had the $ and had shipped the 2 boxes. He did nothing to alert me that what I would receive isn't the gun in the photo he sent me.

Thus bait-and-switch.

[Marlin]

So you avoid telling us what type of gun it was, who the seller was, how much it cost but contacted the ATF? Troll.

Let's see, He's been a member here for 7 years, You've been a member here for 4 months and you're calling him a troll?

Just want to get this straight before I ban your trolling ass.

Unless of course you would care to apologize just as publicly.

[BuffCyclist]

Regarding the model, it looks like you got the HK21K-UBF, not the HK21EUG like the picture portrayed (but technically its still an HK21).

Shy of driving to his house with his (non-functioning) gun and a police officer in tow, it doesn't seem like you have any way of getting your money back and returning the gun.

[Byte Stryke]

you also have civil recourse, though it may be a tad costly given the distances involved.

[Whistler]

Phoenix isn't that far... drove to Florida from NC once to straighten out a recalcitrant eBay seller over a wiper motor, he was much more cooperative in person.